Creationist Wisdom #831: Dinosaurs Lived Recently

This year’s last letter-to-the-editor appears in the Lethbridge Herald of Lethbridge, in the Canadian province of Alberta. It’s titled Dinosaurs were still around 4,000 years ago, and the newspaper has a comments feature.

Because the writer isn’t a politician, preacher, or other public figure, we won’t embarrass or promote him by using his full name. His first name is John. This is his second appearance in our collection. The first was #777: Canadian Genius. Excerpts from his new letter will be enhanced with our Curmudgeonly commentary and some bold font for emphasis. Here we go!

Because the word “dinosaur” was not invented till 1842 by Sir Richard Owen, dinosaurs originally had names like Behemoth and Leviathan.

The Wikipedia write-up on Behemoth says it’s “a beast mentioned in Job 40:15–24. Suggested identities range from a mythological creature to an elephant, hippopotamus, rhinoceros, or buffalo. Some Young Earth creationists believe it to be a description of a dinosaur.” Their article on Leviathan says it’s “a sea monster referenced in the Hebrew Bible in the Book of Job, Psalms, and Isaiah.”

After giving us some bible quotes about those two monsters, John asks:

Where does the idea come from that dinosaurs died out 75 million years ago when they were still here 4,000 years ago?

BWAHAHAHAHAHA! This subject has come up before — see ICR: Maximum Dinosaur Derangement Achieved! Then he asks another powerful question:

Or about the ancient coelacanth fish fossils; this fish evolved about 400 million years ago (?), became extinct 66 million years ago, but are caught again once in a while since 1938. Now they call it a living fossil, and there are many more living fossils.

Yeah, yeah — the Coelacanth. We’ve written about that one — see Creationist Wisdom #401: The Coelacanth. John continues:

How is it possible that evolution is taught in schools when there is no proof at all?

BWAHAHAHAHAHA! Here comes the best part:

On my last letter about evolution-creation I got a response from an atheist-evolution website; their response was “Bwahahahahaha.” Was this really the best answer they have to prove me wrong and they are right?

It seemed appropriate at the time. It still does. And as we’ve stated several times before, although creationists equate science with atheism, this isn’t an atheist blog. John disagrees. He ends his letter with this:

Well, there is no proof for the evolution theory anyway, but they don’t want to believe in creation, because they don’t want the Creator.

That was a splendid year-end letter. Thanks, John!

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12 responses to “Creationist Wisdom #831: Dinosaurs Lived Recently

  1. Michael Fugate

    He lives in a town named Coaldale – need I say more?

  2. Charles Deetz ;)

    Well, my theory that these letter writers don’t use the internet is disproven. At least he quoted the CS accurately.

  3. Walker Mcmurrin

    I hate this John guy.

    All he is an ignorant moron.

    He does not even bother to study to age of the Earth.

  4. There’s too much nonsense here to critique it all in one sitting, but het’s see:

    Where does the idea come from that dinosaurs died out 75 million years ago when they were still here 4,000 years ago?

    Gee, and here I thought scientists said dinosaurs died out 65 million years ago. As for dinosaurs still being here 4,000 years ago, I’ll believe that one when I see some actual physical evidence (dinosaur fossils found with hot red meat?).

    As for Behemoth, there’s no evidence whatever in the Bible (or anywhere else) that this is supposed to be a dinosaur. Creationists grab at this vague reference in desperation because otherwise they’d have to assert either that dinosaurs all belong to a “kind” preserved on the Ark (which not even they can quite choke down), or that whole “kinds” were wiped out in the Flood although the Bible says otherwise, or that (choke! gasp! Never!) the theory of evolution is true after all.

  5. Young dinosaur fossils would still have some DNA.

  6. Michael Fugate

    “Dinosaurs are not extinct. Technically. Based on features of the skeleton, most people studying dinosaurs consider birds to be dinosaurs. This shocking realization makes even the smallest hummingbird a legitimate dinosaur. So rather than refer to “dinosaurs” and birds as discrete, separate groups, it is best to refer to the traditional, extinct animals as “non-avian dinosaurs” and birds as, well, birds, or “avian dinosaurs.” It is incorrect to say that dinosaurs are extinct, because they have left living descendants in the form of cockatoos, cassowaries, and their pals — just like modern vertebrates are still vertebrates even though their Cambrian ancestors are long extinct.”

  7. The description of ‘behemoth” from Job could apply to several animals. FWIW, my opinion is that it’s a crocodile, by someone who’d heard of crocodiles, but hadn’t actually seen one.

    There’s an entire literature, parallel to “ancient astronaut” theory, that presents alleged representations of dinosaurs from petroglyphs, cave paintings, ancient and medieval art, tall tales, temple carvings and what-have-you. Giant human beings, too, because Genesis 6:4. But the creationist lie factory is only part of it. It spreads out in many directions, and the Bible is not central to a good deal of it. Ghosts; exozoology; alien spacecraft; parapsychology… the list goes on.

    People really do believe each of those propositions. Fully. Unreservedly. Passionately. They really do think that there is evidence for them, but that others dismiss it for reasons invariably nefarious. John thinks, for example, that people don’t believe in a 6000 year old Universe because they reject God.

    So here we are. John thinks we examine the evidence because we reject God; we think John accepts God because he rejects examining the evidence. Where do we go from here?

  8. John is obviously very lazy…..he lives ~260km/160miles away from the Royal Tyrrell Museum of Palaeontology at Drumheller, AB…… he could get up to speed with the science very easily IF he wanted to.

  9. “there is no proof for the evolution theory anyway”
    John is a heretic who will burn in the Lake of Fire. Evolution is not a scientific theory. Really (this last word is an actual quote). All creacrappers know. ‘Cuz Hully Babble.

  10. Royal Tyrrell Museum of Palaeontology at Drumheller – Best museum ever!

    It gots little Pikaia, a Cambrian sea walk-through, a living Cretaceous forest, bonez and bonez, a working prep room to oggle at, ‘n’ much more! Nice drive, too, and geology all over the place!

  11. No proof for a creator either but that hasn’t stopped John and his wistful thinking.

  12. No proof for anything, creators, designers, supernatural, or anything other than evolution. At the most that it can claim is against. Not that there is any creditable evidence against evolution – except against claims that evolution doesn’t make.
    But it remains as it has been from the beginning: There is no description of intelligent design. A person can believe in intelligent design but what does intelligent design do?