Vacuous Free Fire Zone

There are a few items we’d like to bring to your at tention before we open this up for another Intellectual Free Fire Zone.

1 The Discoveroids are publishing a Spanish version of their creationist blog. You can read all about it here: Evolution News — Now in a Spanish Language Edition! Klinghoffer says:

This is a major step forward for the scientific alternative to traditional Darwinian evolutionary theory. “Spanish is the primary language of 20 countries worldwide,” says Wikipedia, and this is the kind of thing you can take their word on. “It is estimated that the combined total number of Spanish speakers is between 470 and 500 million, making it the second most widely spoken language in terms of native speakers.”

As wonderful as that is, we’re moving on to an equally thrilling item:

2 The Jack Chick website has another net tract: Limited Time Offer. It’s not about creationism, but it’s the same old Chick message, this time done by his successors.

And finally, as one of our commenters reminded us:

3 Daylight saving time returns next Sunday. We’ll rant about that next week, but we wanted to make sure you knew it was coming.

Okay, that’s the news. Now we declare another Intellectual Free-Fire Zone. We’re open for the discussion of pretty much anything — science, politics, economics, or even astrology, theology, mythology, and sociology — as long as it’s tasteful and interesting. Banter, babble, bicker, bluster, blubber, blather, blab, blurt, burble, boast — say what you will. But avoid flame-wars and beware of the profanity filters.

The comments are open, dear reader. Have at it.

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28 responses to “Vacuous Free Fire Zone

  1. Well, maybe you heard about that “conversation” between Kent Hovind and Aron Nelson (aka Aron Ra)!

    I wrote a review and posted it on my page at the following link, and I have just completed some bantering with Steve McRae’s people on the Great Debate Community site (the substance of which I added to my article).

    Link to my article:

  2. Michael Fugate

    Interesting study which suggests that human life span is not under strong genetic control

  3. Charles Deetz ;)

    Meet a Trump fan this week that lives how DJT makes fools of them liberals. Such a tiny man. I know we razz creationists here, but somehow his glee disturbed me.

  4. Jeopardy question — He has been called the “Twi#er Shi#er in Chief”.

    The correct response: “Who is ______________________?

  5. Can’t talk much right now. I’m packing my bags for Hambo’s Arkload sleepover. Jack Chick comix? check. cowboy boots for Triceratops model ride? check. Flat Earther roadmap of kentucky? check. Gasoline for the car from Holocene oil reservoir? check. Vomit bag? check.

  6. Answer Twi#er Shi#er in Chief, DJT?

  7. EPA head Pruitt doesn’t believe in evolution.

  8. I’m still here, but there’s nothing going on out there to blog about.

  9. I’ve been trying to understand why there is no creationism news out there. The lack of evidence for creationism is no excuse. They’ve been babbling away without evidence for millennia. When all else fails, there is only one explanation that remains — this news lull has been designed.

  10. Evolution is obvious to the layman, much more than heliocentrism, but maybe even more obvious – and of obvious immediate benefit to the family – is vaccination. While I can understand the reluctance to accept being related to monkeys, what emotion drives antivax? It looks like people are just acting perversely against their own welfare.

  11. I’m watching a creationist movie. Most of the b.s. they bring out I’ve heard of already, but here is a new one for me. (According to creationist) Tracks appear in the fossil record before the bone fossils. (Presumably they are running away and then they get deluged.)
    Is this something known to science or is did they pull it out of their rectum?

  12. Are they saying that there are tracks left behind by invertebrates?

  13. trilobites but also some others.

  14. Yes the anti-vaxxers seem to be just as delusional as creationists and flat Earthers. Wakefield (thanks to the UK for him) is their hero for speaking out against the “Big Pharma” conspiracy to poison our children with “sewage”.
    The age of autism blog is good for a laugh if you have the stomach for it.

  15. I don’t understand what the problem is.
    Everyone says that there were invertebrates before vertebrates. Invertebrates left tracks. Some of those tracks are preserved from the times before the times of vertebrates. Thus invertebrate tracks before bones.
    What am I missing?

  16. I am old enough to remember the times when my mother was seriously worried when there polio outbreaks in our town. There were people in iron lungs. There was joy for the Salk vaccine. Measles was common. Smallpox was real. How can anyone want to go back to those days?
    It almost makes Flat Earth rational.

  17. @TomS asks a serious and important question: “what emotion drives antivax?”
    Ignorance, fear and wishful thinking.

    There is still reason to fear polio outbreaks thanks to these pseudo skeptics.

    @TomS asks another question: “What am I missing?”
    Creacrap “methodology”:

    1. Select a conclusion which you hope is true.
    2. Find one piece of evidence that possibly might fit.
    3. Ignore all other evidence.
    4. That’s it.

  18. Thanks for that BBC article on antivax.

    There are so many crackpots. There are the mostly harmless like Flat Earth. But antivax …

    As far as the latest on the anti evolution. Yes, I realize that they are desperate for evidence. It took me a long time to figure out what made people see in “how come there are still
    But saying that there is evidence of invertebrates before vertebrates really puzzles me. I’ve got to be missing something.

  19. Last I heard, the oldest known fish bone is from the Upper Cambrian. Inferred cartilaginous vertebral blocks have been reported from soft-bodied fossils in the Lower Cambrian.
    I suspect that part of the reason for the anti-vaxxer movement is the fad of nonconformity. That may explain much of the “new” nonsensical thinking in the modern world. Some are, as has been pointed out, harmless. Anti-vaxxers do get kids killed.

  20. Well, of course there are track fossils before bone fossils! Skeletons can’t walk! DUH!

  21. The anti-Deet fad is similar to the anti-vax movement. Unless a person has an allergy to Deet, the potential for serious illness from mosquitoes (malaria, yellow fever, West Nile, etc.) is far worse than any supposed long-term effects of Deet exposure.

  22. jimroberts

    If you are a worm of some sort living in the mud of the early Cambrian ocean floor, you won’t leave your fossil skeleton, but you might be lucky enough for your humble burrow to be preserved and discovered.

  23. The real puzzle is: what sort of difficulty could the existence of trace fossils (see the Wikipedia article) before vertebrate fossils pose?
    Of course, as is nearly always the case, how does design or creation account for any phenomenon?

  24. Dave Luckett

    The reference to tracks being found that date before the fossils of actual body parts is probably a reference to tracks of something that walked on mud antedating Tiktaalik. See:

    This was a creationist cause celebre for a while, “Where’s your transitionals now?” they cried. Some of them are stupid enough to still be crying it, despite having it patiently pointed out to them that a fish with a shoulder girdle and bony limbs is transitional between fish and quadrupeds, no matter when it appeared.

  25. Mark Germano

    “Fossils laying down some tracks” is sound engineer slang for the Rolling Stones recording another album.

  26. @Dave Luckett
    Yes, I remember. There was discovered an earlier walking fish. So Titallik was not the earliest transition.

  27. @ Mark Germano: Excellent!