Creationist Wisdom #849: Bring Back Spanking

Today’s letter-to-the-editor is somewhat like a few others we’ve written about on this topic, but we think it’s better than the rest. The title is Removing God from schools leads to mass shootings. It appears in the Muskogee Phoenix of Muskogee, Oklahoma, and the newspaper has a comments feature.

Because the writer isn’t a politician, preacher, or other public figure, we won’t embarrass or promote him by using his full name. His first name is Joshua. We wrote about one of his earlier letters in #266: Jesus a Monkey? Excerpts from his new letter will be enhanced with our Curmudgeonly commentary and some bold font for emphasis. Here we go!

Since the Florida school shooting, school safety measures, ranging from turning schools into armed military camps to imposing unconstitutional gun controls, have been discussed. However, few are discussing school shootings’ root reason: removal of God and biblical principles.

Amazing! Josh has identified the root cause of school shootings. He says:

When even mentioning God’s name, when PRAYING to Him is outlawed in the schools, is it any wonder that instead of His protection, His judgments are displayed against an institution which so grossly insults Him?

Wow! School shootings are God’s judgment on our schools! It makes perfect sense. Then Josh tells us:

And when spanking, the only God-ordained method of child-discipline, is practically removed, is it any wonder that the students are ungovernable, even to the point of murder? A Muskogee public school teacher told me recently that students now often curse or even physically abuse their teachers. So, instead of correcting such behavior with spankings, we instead transform schools into police states to protect the innocent students and teachers? Amazing logic!

He’s right! We must bring back school spanking! Josh continues:

And when students are taught they’re nothing but evolved monkeys, is it any wonder if one soulless monkey callously murders other soulless monkeys?

BWAHAHAHAHAHA! We’ve discussed that one before — see But They’ll Behave Like Monkeys! Let’s read on:

I believe the public education system is irredeemable. Its founders, such as John Dewey and Horace Mann, were largely atheistic humanists who believed humanity would improve without God. The system has become progressively morally bankrupt, so that in a few short decades, we’ve gone from schools where Christian ethics, prayer and corporal discipline were the norm (with no school shootings, I might add) to schools where these things are outlawed and children’s indoctrination include such “values” as Darwinism, radical sex education and the glories of sodomy (and where school shootings are the norm).

Atheism! Darwinism! Sodomy! It all fits together. However, regarding Josh’s claim that there were no school shootings until “a few short decades” ago, we suggest that he take a look at Wikipedia’s List of school shootings in the United States, which goes back a wee bit farther than that.

Here’s one last excerpt:

Parents, as you care for your children’s physical and spiritual well-being, I urge you again to make what sacrifices you must to homeschool them.

And don’t hesitate to spank them. Great letter!

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19 responses to “Creationist Wisdom #849: Bring Back Spanking

  1. “…When even mentioning God’s name, when PRAYING to Him is outlawed in the schools…” How can you outlaw what doesn’t exist?? What is gawd’s name??? It aint jesus!

  2. Home schooling. Idiots teaching children to be idiots.

  3. Home schooling and a Christian learning environment prevents school shootings. Apparently it does that by training them to be bombers in Austin, TX instead.

  4. As a retired public school teacher, I can categorically state that corporal punishment doesn’t work — in fact, it makes behavior worse.

    When I first started teaching, corporal punishment with a paddle was the norm at the one junior high where I taught for my entire career. We had rebellious,disruptive students in the classroom, and a lot of vandalism. There were no racial overtones to the discipline problem, either — the school then was virtually all white and non-Hispanic.

    Times changed and attitudes in the district’s administration changed as well, and within a few years we had stopped using any form of corporal punishment. Vandalism went way down, students became more cooperative — not only with the teachers and administration, but with each other as well.

    Those who criticize public education most likely have not been in a public school for decades, if at all. They are getting their talking points from right-wing talk radio and other one-sided media where there is an agenda favoring public money going to private and religious schools. In order to draw money away from public education, the public schools are shown in the worst light possible, and some of the worst schools in the country are made out to be the norm. Certainly, some inner-city schools are very bad — but then, so are the social conditions in many inner cities. High unemployment, drugs, dysfunctional families, racial judicial disparities — the list goes on and on. Politicians in many states, especially in the South, have been starving public education ever since racial integration was ordered by the federal courts. But in most areas where education is valued by politicians and where there are stable social conditions, public education is very good.

    You can’t compare the success rates of public schools to private or religious schools for one simple reason — public schools must accept all children, while private and religious schools can pick and choose as they please.

    In short, its not the lack of religious indoctrination in public schools that’s causing the problems in those schools that have problems. If we were to increase teachers’ salaries enough to draw the top 25% of college graduates, huge gains would be made in all schools, public and private.

    Universal public education is arguably the driving force that made the United States the world economic leader that it is today. It’s difficult for me to understand why those who consider themselves highly patriotic want to tear it down.

  5. Holding The Line In Florida

    @retiredsciguy. Hear! Hear! Standing Ovation! To answer your question about patriotic people. They are more patriotic about money and forcing their views on the rest of us.

  6. Michael Fugate

    Students can pray any time they want. No one can stop them.

    Also if we treated teachers as professionals and let them design and implement curricula – and pay them as well, then we could have a better system.

  7. Given Mr. Joshua’s interest in home schooling, you might hope he would confine his monkey spanking efforts to the privacy of his own home.

  8. Joshua is an enthusiast for

    spanking, the only God-ordained method of child-discipline

    But it is not uniquely ‘God-ordained’ as a method of disciplining youth: cf, Deuteronomy 21:18-21:

    18 If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them:

    19 Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place;

    20 And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard.

    21 And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.

    This is a sure-fire way to keep them kids off your lawn!

  9. “However, few are discussing school shootings’ root reason: removal of God and biblical principles.”
    Excellent idea! My entire life I have taught at public, ie religiously neutral schools. And know what? None of them have ever suffered from any school shooting.

    “when spanking, the only God-ordained method of child-discipline, is practically removed, is it any wonder that the students are ungovernable, even to the point of murder?”
    None of my schools tolerated spanking either. Must because Joshua’s god’s real name begins with an S and has five letters.

    Partly fortunately and partly unfortunately everything RSG brings up applies to The Netherlands and Suriname as well (mutatis mutandis of course – there are very few private schools in those countries and they are not necessarily better).

  10. Of course to the willfully ignorant the bible is always the last word about how to treat children. Killing the children of anyone that you don’t like with a bronze sword might dull the sword, so the bible has a much better solution:
    Psalm 137:9: “Blessed shall he be who takes your little ones and dashes them against the rock!”
    And there are lots more at:

    “Joshua” is obviously in desperate need of a brain donor.

  11. I see a best-seller opportunity here: “God wants you to spank your child”

  12. Children’s indoctrination include such “values” as Darwinism, radical sex education and the glories of sodomy (and where school shootings are the norm).

    Is it just me or is Joshua’s preoccupation with spanking and sodomy somewhat troubling?

  13. Needs clarification. How should the spanking be administered? With bare hand? Paddle? Rolled up Forbes magazine with Trump on cover?

  14. Gee. I thought the high numbers of firearms in american society was the reason there is so much gun violence. Who knew ?

  15. @och will: Yes, I looked at the list of school shootings through US history that the Curmudgeon mentioned. Until the most recent decades, most of the shootings have at most 2 or 3 fatalities. I don’t think “Darwinism, radical sex education, or the glories of sodomy” have much to do with assault rifles.

  16. Joshua seems to forget about other shootings such as in post offices, malls, concerts, movies, and, yes, churches.

  17. Eric Lipps

    Just a couple of questions (I’m pressed for time just now0:

    (1) When did “Darwinism” become a value instead of “just a theory”?
    (2) Who, anywhere, is teaching about the “glories of sodomy”?

    Idiots like “Joshua” only hurt the cause of right-wing fundamentalism. More power to ’em!

  18. (1a) Where did “Just A Theory” come from? Why would anyone think of “The Theory of X” as telling us that “X is a theory”? (I think of so many examples to the contrary: “The Theory of the Earth”, “The Theory of Music”, “The Theory of Everything”, etc. and nobody would think of saying that “The Earth is a Theory”, etc.)
    (3) When did “True Christianity” become “Family Values”?

  19. Joshua: ” . . . spanking, the only God-ordained method of child-discipline . . . “

    Sorry, dude, but “the rod” is an instrument for beating, not spanking.

    (PS: “God” also allows reproving in disciplining kids.)