Bible Astronomy Is Always True, Part 2

This is a virtual replay of Bible Astronomy Is Always True, but with a different creationist author. It’s titled What Does the Bible Say About Astronomy?, and it appears at the website Beliefnet. Wikipedia has a write-up on them, which says: “Beliefnet is independent and not affiliated with any spiritual organization or movement.”

Our readers already know what the bible says — see The Earth Is Flat!, and also The Earth Does Not Move!, and a series of other posts such as Creationists and Cosmology, Part 2.

We can readily understand the limited view of the authors of scripture. Their knowledge of the Earth was limited to their ability to travel short distances. For observing the sky at night, they had only their eyes, which had evolved sufficiently for us to survive on Earth, but which give us virtually no information about the universe beyond it. What we can’t understand is theocratic opposition to improved sources of information, which resulted in such barbaric abominations as the Galileo affair.

Anyway, let’s see what Beliefnet has for us. Their article was written by Megan Bailey, about whom we know nothing. That website has a comments feature, but there aren’t any yet. Here are some excerpts from Megan’s opus, with bold font added by us for emphasis, and occasional Curmudgeonly interjections [that look like this]:

All the sciences are investigations into God’s creation, and astronomy is no different. Many people fear that the Bible condemns Christians from studying astronomy; however that’s not the case. God created our heavens and earth and knows how everything works together. He did make it after all. The Bible gives us information about the history of the universe and how God built it. It is our foundation on how we can come to understand the universe.

Great beginning! Then she says:

People typically rebuttal [sic] this by saying that the Bible isn’t a science textbook. This is true, because textbooks are created by imperfect humans. Textbooks have to change year after year when humans discover new things, or find evidence that contradicts previously held beliefs. The Bible never changes and it never has to, because it was perfectly inspired by God. When it covers a specific topic, we can understand that it is a truth held by God.

Great. You only need one book. After that she tells us:

[M]any in the scientific community … see their scientific findings above the historical account given the Bible. Astronomy is one of the hardest of the sciences to understand, mainly because the objects of study are so far away and not subject to human interaction. Because so many noted scientists are atheists, their work naturally does not take into consideration the existence of a creator. Christians that seek to study astrology [Huh?] and understand it must go in with the mindset that the Bible is the true account of all things, and that it cannot be contradicted. Science and faith can completely coexist, but we have to be wary of the devil trying to redirect our mind.

Yes, we must always be wary of the devil. Megan continues:

The Bible was ahead of its times when it came to understanding the universe, because God already knew everything about it. For example, the Bible indicates that the earth is round. Isaiah 40:22 mentions this when it says “circle of the earth.” From our own scientific studies, we know that this is true.

[*Groan*] We discussed that in The Earth Is Flat! The word used means “disk.” There is a Hebrew word for “ball” which was used elsewhere in Isaiah, so although the author had both words at his disposal, he didn’t use “ball” in his “circle of the earth” passage. Let’s read on:

Job 26:7 also suggests that the earth floats in space when it says God “hangs the earth on nothing.” Although this is very poetic sounding, it does seem to suggest that the earth isn’t sitting on top of a pedestal or hanging off of a limb.

[*Groan*] We discussed that in The Earth Does Not Move!, where we said:

It’s the same earth that the same book of Job says has a place and rests on pillars (Job 9:6 — “Which shaketh the earth out of her place, and the pillars thereof tremble.”), and that also has a foundation (Job 38:4 — “Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth”). Whatever “hangeth the earth upon nothing” means, it definitely doesn’t say that the earth moves (except when God shakes it) or that it’s located anywhere other than the central hub of the universe.

This is great, huh? Here’s another excerpt:

One incredible piece of scripture comes from Isaiah 40:22 that teaches us that God is had expanded or “stretched out” the universe. The verse says that God stretches out the heavens like a curtain and spreads them out like a tent to dwell in. Most astronomers today believe that the universe is indeed expanding and growing, just like the Bible suggests.

Yeah, okay. And now we come to the end:

The Bible teaches us the truth and history about our universe, as it was created by God lifetimes ago. Astronomers once mocked Christians for believing some of the teachings found in the Bible, but as we grow as a scientific community the truths are revealed. Continue to study the stars with a Christian outlook, and the more you learn the more we will be pointed back toward God.

Well, dear reader, we don’t know about you, but we think Megan Bailey’s article was a giant ark-load of Oogity Boogity!

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16 responses to “Bible Astronomy Is Always True, Part 2

  1. Wow – she cannot even keep astronomy and astrology straight. Seems as though the bible holds astrology to be valid since the star[s] guided the wise ones to baby J.

  2. “The Bible gives us information about ….. how God built it (the universe – FrankB). ”
    By talking it into existence, she means? I’d like her to be a bit more specific – whenever I try to talk a universe into existence nothing happens.

    “When it covers a specific topic, we can understand that it is a truth held by God.”
    Aha! My favourite topics are the value of pi and the question if bats are birds – very specific.

  3. the Bible is the true account of all things,
    Why do people insist on overdoing it?

    I recall a story about Groucho Marx. He was invited to a seance, where the medium was answering all sorts of questions from the audience. Groucho asked the medium, “What is the capital of North Dakota?”

    I suppose that the Bible, having the true account of all things, tells us the captital of North Dakota. As it also has an account of the electromagnetic properties of liquid helium; the solutions of polynomials over complex numbers; the ringed planets of the Solar System.

  4. All the religious apologists are the same. LIARS. They take the recent science and then back fit it to some really st00pid poetic phrase in the buyBull and say … see they knew this already! When in fact they knew nothing much.
    And if science is so lame and false, when will be throwing your iPhones away??? Ya! Right! hypocrites!

  5. @Douglas E ponders: “Seems as though the bible holds astrology to be valid since the star[s] guided the wise ones to baby J.”
    Not merely seems – there is consensus among historians of Antiquity on this topic. Those wise ones came from the East, ie from Babylonia. And for the Babylonian wise (magi) the words astronomy and astrology were synonyms. They observed the skies because they wanted to detect the will of (the) god(s) by observing the orbits of the stars.
    I’ve wondered if Seleucus of Seleucia, who was advocated the heliocentric model constructed by Aristarchos of Samos. had access to those Babylonian observations. The two cities Seleucia and Babylon were pretty close and when the Parthians conquered the city some of those wise men might have fled to Seleucia.

  6. Michael Fugate

    What’s amazing is the Qur’an is also the true account of all things. I am sure the Vedas are too.

  7. Interesting info – thanks!

  8. One must engage in incredibly outlandish mental contortions to keep making excuses about the scientific accuracy of scripture alluded to by BeliefNet

  9. “Beliefnet is independent and not affiliated with any spiritual organization or movement.”
    As long as its bible based. Megan Bailey knows so much about astronomy that she considers it astrology, which she also knows as much about as any other random branch of science.

  10. Dave Luckett

    The usual ravening nonsense: “One, the Bible is a true account of all things. Two, where it appears not to be a true account of something, see One”.

    Never mind that the Bible itself, nowhere in its however many books and authors your church uses, ever makes the claim to be invariably literally correct. The closest it ever comes to that is to claim to be “breathed out” by God, and to be proper for moral instruction. Apparently approval of genocide and slavery are moral instructions, now.

    As for its astronomy, the subject of the above (more or less), the Bible knows exactly what a literate person knew or thought they knew at the time and place the manuscripts were being written. Funny, that. So stars can fall to earth. The sky is an arch on the apex of which God sits. There is a solid firmament, whatever a firmament is. The sun moves about the earth, not the other way around. And so on.

    To remain a Biblical literalist in the face of what the Bible actually says requires heroic amounts of both ignorance and chutzpah. But they have both.

  11. The Bible as written gives the impression of having been the product of a Ancient Near Eastern culture.
    There is nothing which gives any reason to think otherwise, such as any internal claim to the contrary.
    It reminds me of Ophalism to say that the Bible was made to give a false impression of its provenance.

  12. @Och Will is amazed: “One must engage in incredibly outlandish mental contortions”
    Let’s be honest. Watching this site, under the reliable guidance of our dear SC, has a few things in common with visiting a zoo or a collection of curiosities.

  13. Astronomy is one of the hardest of the sciences to understand, mainly because the objects of study are so far away and not subject to human interaction

    I would say it is so hard because it involves equations with obscene amounts of variables.

  14. Astronomy is one science to which amateurs regularly make contributions. I

  15. I visited the site. It carries such useful articles as “Five ways to avoid stress”, and something about where a welfare queen (or rather princess) called Megan Markle (Megan Saxe-Coburg-Gotha-Battenberg?) is going to be living, but although I clicked to comment, no place appeared for me to do so.

    I wanted to ask what the waters were that are above the Firmament.

  16. Creationist stupidity knows no limits. OK, our dear SC has taught me well, so we can’t blame JackRabbit for being Poed. But his Holy Spirit babbling has silenced me.

    Of course even that trick is not new. I refer to WL Craig’s “Christianity is true by the self-authenticating witness of the Holy Spirit,”

    and also Kurt Wise’s “If all the evidence in the universe turns against creationism, I would be the first to admit it, but I would still be a creationist because that is what the Word of God seems to indicate.”