Creationist Wisdom #863: Who’s the Fool?

Today’s letter-to-the-editor appears in the Times Record News of Wichita Falls, Texas. The title is Believe in science and God, and the newspaper has a comments section.

Because the writer isn’t a politician, preacher, or other public figure, we won’t embarrass or promote him by using his full name. His first name is Wayne. Excerpts from his letter will be enhanced with our Curmudgeonly commentary, some bold font for emphasis, and occasional Curmudgeonly interjections [that look like this]. Here we go!

Dear Austin Meek: I am a fool. According to your letter in the May 16 Times Record News, anyone who believes in an omnipotent, omniscient, eternal, loving God must be a fool. I wear that badge with great honor.

We can’t find Austin Meek’s letter, but Wayne describes it well enough. He says:

Your letter was written in response to a letter by Jim Mills in Friday’s TRN. I do not always agree with Mr. Mills’ views but his basic idea Friday was that God created the universe and everything in it. The Bible supports this position because the very first words in Genesis are, “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth”.

Yup — that’s what it says! Wayne tells us:

Now I realize that it takes a great deal of faith to believe what is written in the Bible. Everyone must have faith in something.

That’s true — you gotta have faith! He continues:

Mr. Meek you appear to put your faith in science. I agree with you. [Huh?] Science is wonderful. It has given us cell phones, rapid transit, modern medicine, microwave popcorn and such. I like science, too – I’m a physicist and engineer myself. [Hee hee!] Perhaps you and I would have a lot to talk about. I think I would really like to meet you.

Maybe, or maybe not. Let’s read on:

I also have faith in science and physical things. When I turn the tap I have faith that water will come out of the faucet; when I flip a switch I have faith that a light will come on; and when I am in an airplane I have faith that the laws of aerodynamics will keep the plane aloft.

Wayne seems to confuse faith with justifiable confidence in verifiable observations. Another excerpt:

All these things pale however in comparison to my faith in God because God created the very science we are talking about here.

Ooooooooooooh! Here’s more:

Psalms 14:1 says: “The fool says in his heart there is no God”.

Verily, that’s what it says. Now Wayne issues a challenge:

From one fool to another let me ask you to do one thing: find a Bible and read John 3:16 and substitute your name, Austin, for the words “the world” and “whosoever”.

Your ever-helpful Curmudgeon provides the King James version of that bible passage so that you, dear reader, can take Wayne’s challenge for yourself:

For God so loved the world [or your name], that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever [or your name] believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Powerful, huh? And now we come to the end:

God loves you whether you know it or not.

Okay, dear reader, now it’s up to you: who’s the fool here? Is it Wayne, or the letter-writer he’s addressing?

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11 responses to “Creationist Wisdom #863: Who’s the Fool?

  1. I like doing Wayne’s cute little ‘scan and replace’ trick on John 3:16–except, instead of your own name, use that of one of the myriad genocidal monsters that litter human history, like Stalin, Pol Pot, Dr Mengele, &c.

    In fact, any murderous scumbag will do, e.g.

    For God so loved Charles Manson, that he gave his only begotten Son, that Charles Manson should not perish, but have everlasting life.

  2. Olivia says no one should ever play a game of “Who’s the fool?” with Megalonyx. He always wins the title.

  3. Eric Lipps

    I also have faith in science and physical things. When I turn the tap I have faith that water will come out of the faucet; when I flip a switch I have faith that a light will come on; and when I am in an airplane I have faith that the laws of aerodynamics will keep the plane aloft.

    All these things pale however in comparison to my faith in God because God created the very science we are talking about here.

    In other words, this “physicist and engineer” is saying: “I believe in science, but my faith in God means that if scientists contradict the Bible, to hell with them and their heathen ideas.”

  4. bewilderbeast

    Yeah, Texas Wayne, God loves you – and me – and Austin Meek! You should read less bible and more Texas Butch Hancock:
    “Life in Lubbock, Texas taught me two things: One is that God loves you and you’re going to burn in hell. The other is that sex is the most awful, filthy thing on earth, and you should save it for someone you love.”

  5. “physicist and engineer”
    Creationists like to inflate their credentials to lofty heights to make an appeal to authority, with them conveniently being the “authority”. The odds favor
    Wayne Allen actually being an engineer who pretends to be a physicist to lay claim to being a “scientific authority”. His letter indicates that his thinking is so muddled that like all other creationists, literally any excuse will do.

  6. Dave Luckett

    As our host points out, Wayne’s “faith” consists of real evidence, except in the case of his Biblical literalism, where he performs a somersault and disregards the evidence altogether. It’s clear that he can’t notice the difference between the two, for he uses “faith” to mean both – but neither is actually faith.

    Faith is the hope for things unseen, ie things that are not evident. Or to put it more precisely and prosaically, it is belief without empirical evidence. It is not belief in the face of contrary evidence. That’s not faith, it’s recalcitrant superstition.

    As always, what impresses me most about Biblical creationism is not its scientific ignorance – for if God exists, He knows that I am ignorant, too – but its foolish, false, superstitious and dishonest theology. I know that many here regard theology as a non-subject, but for those like me, not possessed of a scientific or mathematical mind, it provides as sure and as logical a refutation of Biblical creationism as any other.

  7. A physicist who can’t distinguish between myth and reality. Nice going, Wayne!

  8. @Dave Luckett
    What we’re talking about is, well, I don’t know how to put it charitably, it is the kind of church which practices snake handling. Or dresses up in white robes and climbs up a hill to wait for the space aliens. It is beyond rational discussion.
    It is no deep, complicated, abstruse science that we are related physically to the rest of life. It is just plain obvious. And the more one learns, the more the relationship appears. And nobody has any reason to doubt it.

  9. “It is just plain obvious.”
    Yup. Before I entered discussions with creacrappers on internet I thought it useful to read up a bit on Evolution Theory. It took me four evenings: two books (by Jerry Coyne and Donald Prothero) plus one website (TalkOrigins). Sure, when an IDiot like Paul Nelson gets technical it flies above my head, but such creacrappers are just a small minority. We can leave them to say PZ Myers.

  10. The circular reasoning of that one is mind-numbing. Wayne is a clear example of southern education statistics.