Ken Ham: Dinosaurs and the Flood

This is a good one from Ken Ham (ol’ Hambo), the ayatollah of Appalachia, the world’s holiest man who knows more about religion and science than everyone else. It’s at the website of Answers in Genesis (AIG), his creationist ministry: Will Jurassic Park Be Reality Someday? Here are some excerpts, with bold font added by us for emphasis, and occasional Curmudgeonly interjections that look [like this]:

This week the newest installment of the Jurassic Park series, Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom, will show in US theaters (be watching for a review of this film on AnswersinGenesis.org). [Yeah, right!] This upcoming theatrical spectacle prompted an article in Scientific American titled Jurassic World: Can We Really Resurrect Dinosaurs?. The short answer the authors gave to that question was no — and we don’t need to, the article claims, because birds are dinosaurs. [Gasp!] Yes, they actually wrote that — birds are dinosaurs. Remember that the next time you put out your dinosaur (bird) feeders in your backyard!

Great beginning! Then he says:

The authors argue that reconstructing ancient DNA is no simple task, if you can even find such DNA. Since they believe dinosaurs died out around 66 million years ago [the Fools!], they don’t think there’s much of a chance we will ever find more than just fragmentary dinosaur DNA. Of course, evolutionists weren’t expecting to find any soft tissue preserved in dinosaur fossils, yet it has been found. [Groan!] This is because dinosaurs didn’t die out 66 million years ago. The fossils we have today are probably from the global flood of Noah’s day just 4,350 years ago.

Ah yes, the Flood. Then he tells us:

But the authors do mention that they believe they now have “the overall genomic structure of dinosaurs,” despite not having any dinosaur DNA. This is because they supposedly worked “out the most likely genomic structure of the bird-turtle ancestor, before tracing any changes that occurred from then to the present day.”

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They don’t mention, however, that there is no known naturalistic process that adds brand-new genetic information into DNA. [Hee hee!] Yet they need massive amounts of additional information for new structures and functions for some kind of bird-turtle ancestor to eventually give rise to dinosaurs that then evolved into modern birds.

This is great — it’s not only about the Flood, but Hambo also throws in the magic pixie dust of information. He continues:

Will Jurassic Park become a reality? Probably not. DNA is highly complex, and even if some DNA has survived since the flood of Noah’s time, it’s likely far too degraded (even in just a few thousand years) to reconstruct a complete genome.

Jeepers — no DNA after only 4,350 years. Let’s read on:

But from a biblical perspective, we don’t view dinosaurs as mysterious creatures that inhabited a world now long gone. They were particular kinds of land animals that were created on the same day as Adam and Eve and the other land animals (on day six of creation week) — and we now refer to those in these groups as dinosaurs (the word was first coined in 1841).

But if they were around that recently, where are they? Hambo explains that in his last paragraph (before he promotes one of his books and his various creationist tourist attractions):

Two of every kind of dinosaur were taken on the ark with Noah, and, after the flood, all dinosaurs (as far as we know) eventually died out for the same reasons creatures die out today (lack of resources, shrinking habitat, climate change, humans killing them, and so on).

Humans killed off the dinosaurs. Yes, that explains it. And so, dear reader, what did we learn? Only this: Noah could have saved a lot of space on the Ark if he didn’t bother saving the dinosaurs. Why wasn’t he told that they would soon go extinct?

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17 responses to “Ken Ham: Dinosaurs and the Flood

  1. no known naturalistic process that . . .
    However you complete the ellipsis with something that happens in the world of life, there is no known supernatural process that does it. (I don’t want to get into pointless discussions about.
    salvation etc. I’m talking about things like sight, flight, diseases, etc.)

  2. and, after the flood, all dinosaurs (as far as we know) eventually died out for the same reasons creatures die out today…
    Except that it’s very rare for creatures to die out today as a consequence of total bulls**t.

  3. Karl Goldsmith (@KarlGoldsmith)

    Ken Ham having to spout crap because in his reality we would have DNA to reconstruct every species, if they were only a few thousands years old. “it’s likely far too degraded (even in just a few thousand years) to reconstruct a complete genome.”

  4. “They were particular kinds of land animals that were created on the same day as Adam and Eve…”
    That surely includes Fred, Wilma, Barney, Betty, Pebbles and of course Dino!

  5. Just the other day, we had Brian Thomas of ICR asking why, if a catastrophic asteroid event wiped out the dinosaurs, the frogs managed to survive?

    Two can play that game.

    So dinosaurs, according to Ken, couldn’t adapt to the new, post-Flood conditions and went extinct (“as far as we know”), but the modern reptiles we see around us today apparently managed just fine.

    I’d love to ask him how come? but I fear he’d just give me that clenched-jaw, death stare he gave Bill Maher. That was enough to frighten the horses!

  6. Do these people ever stop to think about the impact that dinosaurs dwelling with people in the same space would have had? In a time when most houses were merely huts 3m high, imagine an 8-meter Triceratops or a 15-meter Spinosaurus roaming around your corn field or devouring your goats. Can you picture the sheer horror if a Pterodactylus flies overhead?

    In the creationist tale, the Bible story must have been gathered and written down in the short time between the Flood and 700 BC, or so. If man roamed with dinosaurs, the bible would be rife with raptor attacks and crops destroyed by stampeding Brontosaurs. Instead, the worst they can come up with is a couple of lions and locusts.

  7. Fundies! I wish they would go extinct!

  8. Aha, Richard! The fact that they don’t disproves natural selection and hence proves creacrap! Checkmate!

  9. RetiredSciGuy

    Hmm … if almost all the dinosaurs died in “The Flood,” why are all the dinosaur fossils we find today buried below the K-T boundary, where no human nor large mammal remains have ever been found?

    We await your answer, Ken. (Yes, we know you are a regular reader of the Curmudgeon’s blog.)

  10. @rsg
    You are pointing out one feature of the massive sorting of fossils. It should be interesting how a creationist would account for such a large scale appearance of order by natural processes. Is this not a violation of creationist understanding of the 2nd law of thermodynamics?

  11. RSG, I once came across a Dutch creationist blog (I think Mnb0 also commented there) of someone who first bamboozled his readers into thinking the world population before the Flood was in the order of tens of billions, and then a bit later that their remains were all miracled away. Pity I can’t find it any more.

  12. @TomS

    I hadn’t considered this in light of what creationists believe about the 2nd law of thermodynamics, and how sequential ordering of fossils should thereby violate it.

    All I know is that they play pretty damn fast and loose with that law when it suits them, and that they’ve come up with the ludicrous concept of “hydraulic sorting” to try and explain away the patterns we observe in the fossil record.

    I needn’t go into what their “theory” says, as I’m sure our heads are all hurting by now, anyway.

  13. The whole truth

    hambo drooled: “The fossils we have today are probably from the global flood of Noah’s day just 4,350 years ago.”

    Probably? Hasn’t he already attributed all fossils to the (fake news) flud? If not from the (fake news) flud, where/how/when did the “fossils we have today” come from? Hey hambo, what’s your (fake news) answer to these questions?

  14. Cotton Mather wrote “The Christian Philosopher” about 1721 and references the impossibility of a perpetual motion machine to argue for divine intervention to keep the body working (In Essay XXVII: Insects):
    “Here now, the heart is the cause of the motion of the blood in the arteries; and the motion of the blood in the arteries urging their juices through which is a plain circulation of mechanical powers, a perpetual motion, a thing unknown to nature! An epicurean cannot contrive a water machine, wherein the water should move the machine, and the machine move the water, and the same water continually return in a circle to move the machine. Great God, it is thy immediate influence on the powers of nature in me that keeps my heart in motion.”
    Is this the earliest reference to thermodynamics for a proof of God? Before the formulation of thermodynamics? An “epicurean” meant “atheist” in those days.

  15. BTW
    Isn’t Cotton Mather arguing that a phenomenon of nature, circulation of blood, is something that does not occur in nature, and thus must be an act of God?

  16. “Many evolutionists will tell you that dinosaurs never died out—they evolved into birds. This absurd claim ignores the problem I mentioned above—there’s no known naturalistic process that adds the massive amount of information necessary to turn a dinosaur into a bird! These two types of creatures have massive differences (scales vs. feathers, different breathing systems, warm-blooded vs. cold-blooded, and so on) and huge amounts of unique information would be needed to turn one into the other, and there’s no known process that can do that!”
    Are birds more genetically complex (or ‘information rich’ whatever that means) than dinosaurs (does the ability to fly mean animals have more ‘information’)? If that is what he is implying simply because evolutionists think dinosaurs existed before any birds existed so therefore evolutionists think birds are more ‘complex’. How could Ken Ham possibly know such a thing? Does anyone know? And some dinosaurs possessed feathers. Also an internet search will show that Ham’s claim about breathing systems is highly simplistic – and this has been the case for at least a decade. In addition, the AiG claim that all dinosaurs were cold-blooded is now highly controversial as a quick internet search will also reveal. Even the AiG website has previously acknowledged this: https://answersingenesis.org/dinosaurs/bones/dinosaur-teeth-clues-species-warm-cold-blooded/
    “Will Jurassic Park become a reality? Probably not. DNA is highly complex, and even if some DNA has survived since the flood of Noah’s time, it’s likely far too degraded (even in just a few thousand years) to reconstruct a complete genome.” But DNA HAS been recovered from material that is genuinely less than 6,000 years old, such as mummies.

  17. RetiredSciGuy
    You’ll be waiting a very long time for that Answer regarding Genesis.