Creationist Wisdom #893: Don’t Be Silent

Today’s letter-to-the-editor is a follow-up to #888: Missing Links, which we posted two weeks ago. The new one also appears in the Altoona Mirror of Altoona, Pennsylvania, and they have a comments feature. The letter is titled If you believe in creation, say so.

Because the writer isn’t a politician, preacher, or other public figure, we won’t embarrass or promote her by using her full name. Her first name is Donna. Excerpts from her letter will be enhanced with our Curmudgeonly commentary, some bold font for emphasis, and occasional Curmudgeonly interjections that look [like this]. Here we go!

In response to Pastor John Leatherman’s July 28 letter, I wish to applaud him and say how happy I am to have someone stand up and say that this theory of evolution can and should be denied.

Donna is happy! She says:

I hope that more and more people will stand up and denounce this ridiculous theory, because it is just that — a theory. [Hee hee!] It’s completely unproven and should have never been accepted as truth.

Go, Donna, go! She tells us:

This theory doesn’t deal with how things came to be. It is only a theory [Hee hee!] of how they continue to be. Creation deals with how things came to be. [Ooooooooooooh!] No human being can take nothing and turn it into something. Only God, the supreme being, can do that.

Brilliant! Donna continues:

Take seeds for instance. Can anyone make a seed, or any one of the millions of different species; animals, plants etc.?

Well, dear reader — can you make a seed? No, of course you can’t. So let’s read on:

Whether you’re a preacher, a teacher or just an average Joe; if you agree with Pastor Leatherman, you have a moral obligation to stand up and say so. [Yeah!] If you believe in creation, say so! If you believe it should be taught to our children; say so. Say it loud.

Imagine how wonderful it would be if there were millions like Donna, all screeching about creationism. And now we come to the end:

If we are silent, as we have been, nothing will change.

Your Curmudgeon considers it a privilege to present Donna’s letter to you, dear reader. Well — you’ve read what she says. Now what are you going to do about it?

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16 responses to “Creationist Wisdom #893: Don’t Be Silent

  1. Well, after reading Donna’s comments, I plan to: continue reading real science and ignoring creationist rants. Now I’m off to the mail room to see if the latest copy of Nature has arrived.

  2. Donna asserts:

    No human being can take nothing and turn it into something.

    This is demonstrably false.
    Creationists at AiG and the Discovery Institute make good money out of utter vacuity.

  3. Yes, evolution is completely different from creation. Evolution is not about how things come to be from nothing. So why the concern?
    You don’t have any concern about how science tells us about how reproduction and growth works, do you? Do the “facts of life” contradict belief that each of us is an individual creature of God?

  4. “[The theory of evolution]’s completely unproven and should have never been accepted as truth.”

    “Unproven” = “didn’t bother to educate myself seriously on the subject”.
    “Truth” = “nothing make sense in my life except in the shadows of the Bible”.

  5. Donna follows a noble path as an American glam band already sung in the 1970’s:

    Well, the night’s begun and Donna wants some fun
    Does she think she’s gonna find it (think she’s gonna find it)
    She got to treat the creator like number one
    Do you need to be reminded (need to be reminded)

    It doesn’t matter what you do or say
    Just forget the things that you’ve been told
    Donna can’t do it any other way
    Everybody’s got to rock and roll, whoo, oh, oh

    Shout it, shout it, shout it out loud

    Evolution is just a theory!

  6. YES!!! PLEASE! Be loud and proud about being a creatard, its good to know who the st00pid ones are around my area and else where!!! If politicians where more open about their idiot beliefs they could get less votes.

  7. How many votes would supporting creatonism lose?
    For most people, there are many more important issues. Even if they accept evolution.

  8. Whether you’re a preacher, a teacher or just an average Joe; if you agree with Pastor Leatherman, you have a moral obligation to stand up and say so. [Yeah!] If you believe in creation, say so! If you believe it should be taught to our children; say so. Say it loud.

    In other words, if you yell loudly enough, maybe schools will knuckle under and teach creationism.

  9. Donna asks: “Can anyone make a seed…?”

    Depends how you define it, Donna. James Brown inspired a generation, and planted a few seeds, one of which appears to have borne mutant fruit:

    “Say it loud! I’m creationist and I’m proud!”

    Sperm counts as seed, too, in the biblical sense. Onan certainly had plenty to go around, though he was shamefully wasteful, by all reliably, historical Tom Romerish accounts; and Onan probably inspired generations to come*, particularly young schoolboys.

    *Behave yourselves, now.

  10. I posted on the paper’s page: Evolution is about how life changes over time, not about how it started (a difficult problem but we’re making progress on it, and learning in the process – that’s science). Chemistry is about how atoms change their arrangements over time, not about where atoms came from. Does Donna reject chemistry because of this? Does she reject quantum theory, which tells us what holds atoms together, because it’s just a theory? If not, why does she treat evolution science differently from chemical science?

    But now I’m not sure that was a good idea. I’m rewarding creotrolls with attention. Is that really such a good idea? What think you?

  11. Paul Braterman says: “I posted on the paper’s page: … But now I’m not sure that was a good idea. I’m rewarding creotrolls with attention. Is that really such a good idea? What think you?”

    It’s the editors of the newspaper who made the mistake, by publishing Donna’s letter, thus giving attention to something like that. They should be criticized. Here’s an analogy: If you visited a state fair, and they had a freak show featuring the bearded lady and other oddities, would you criticize the unfortunate people on display — or the management of the fair?

  12. @SC, you are right. My concern remains, am I rewarding the publishers for printing crap by giving them my attention, maintaining their ratings, and providing free content by writing a comment? And how might that affect their future policy?

  13. I suggest these defenses of the editors.
    They try to print as many of the letters as they can. It is the paper’s responsibility to let the public be heard.
    They like to get responses to the letters that they print. It shows interest in the public. And it tells advertisers that people actually read the paper – more than the sports and comics. It makes the reporters feel that their work is being recognized.

  14. TomS says: “I suggest these defenses of the editors. They try to print as many of the letters as they can. It is the paper’s responsibility to let the public be heard.”

    Does a newspaper have a responsibility to publicize the views of flat Earth people? Faith healers? Moon landing deniers? Some do publish such letters, and they certainly have the freedom to do so. I guess it depends on the editors’ personal view of what their paper should be doing.

  15. @Paul Braterman: “But now I’m not sure that was a good idea. I’m rewarding creotrolls with attention. Is that really such a good idea? What think you?”

    No, no — good idea.

    Good Idea.

    Always bear in mind that the “creotrolls” will not be your only audience in a forum like this. It reaches thousands if not tens of thousands others.

    Unlike FrankB, I would certainly advise against posting on a creationist blog — waste of time and effort.

    But an open forum like this? I consider it our responsibility to counter creationists’ every false claim, every manufactured fact and every faulty analysis.

    In my book, you did Good.

    PS: @Paul Braterman: “@SC, you are right.”

    Hell, no. Our Senseless Curmudgeon‘s “analogy” compares an actual physical exhibition to a newspaper article and letter to the editor.

    WTF?

  16. (Please forgive the premature launch of the previous comment, and do allow the following continuation.)

    Our Sensible Curmudgeon makes the valid point: “It’s the editors of the newspaper who made the mistake, by publishing Donna’s letter, thus giving attention to something like that.”

    But at this point, that’s a given, unchangeable by any word or deed. The question now for us is how to respond.

    And I think of incidents like this as grand (and rare) OPPORTUNITIES to make our arguments against creationism to the newspaper’s entire general audience. As opposed to preaching to the choir on the one hand, or bearding the bastards in their own lair on the other. You persuade no one either way.

    So I shall repeat myself (one of my Favorite Things) — “In my book, you did Good,” @Paul Braterman

    Excelsior!