Creationist Wisdom #911: Beyond Understanding

The usual creationist websites are boring today, but we found another letter-to-the-editor. This one appears in The Mining Journal of Marquette, Michigan, the largest city of the state’s Upper Peninsula. Marquette is a major port on Lake Superior, known primarily for shipping iron ore. The letter is titled Bible is God’s word — period, and the newspaper doesn’t have a comments feature.

Because the writer isn’t a politician, preacher, or other public figure, we won’t embarrass or promote him by using his full name. His first name is Richard. This is the second time we’ve featured one of his letters. The last time was #884: Science Is Foolishness. We think he’s a professional tax return preparer, but that doesn’t qualify for full name treatment. Excerpts from his letter will be enhanced with our Curmudgeonly commentary, some bold font for emphasis, and occasional Curmudgeonly interjections that look [like this]. Here we go!

Several individuals have been critical of my letters to the editor. [Hee hee!] They want to say that the Bible is not the inerrant, infallible, inspired Word of God. The Bible has been studied by more scholars than any other publication and no one has documented any errors in it. Many readers will misinterpret what is written.

Wikipedia has a relevant article. See Criticism of the Bible. But let’s not be distracted. Richard says:

Another individual could not believe that the global flood ever happened because a loving God would not destroy all those people. In Genesis 6:5 it states: “And God saw the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart (man) was only evil continually.” God hates evil which is sin.

Ooooooooooooh! Sin is bad! Even little babies, puppy dogs, and song birds had to be destroyed. They were all sinners. Then he tells us:

God operates in a sphere which is beyond our understanding. God has direct power over all of His creation. He does not seek our permission. He does what He wants to do when he sees that every thought of man is evil. God’s thoughts are way above our thoughts and we are not able to understand them.

That makes sense. Richard continues:

Many people believe in the evolution of man without a shred of evidence. [Gasp!] Those individuals have a lot of faith in evolution without any basis for it.

They’re fools! Let’s read on:

Man can neither create an earthworm nor a fruit fly yet they believe we started by some mysterious process! I believe God created everything as recorded in the Bible!

No one can argue with that! And now we come to the end:

I was criticized for saying that I serve an awesome God. That was a gross understatement by me because God is omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent!

That’s a much better way to put it. Your Curmudgeon would never criticize Richard. Would you, dear reader?

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14 responses to “Creationist Wisdom #911: Beyond Understanding

  1. “God operates in a sphere which is beyond our understanding…”
    This tells us that we are not to judge God by human standards. When God kills, it is not murder. When God deprives us of our property, it is not theft. When God inflicts eternal damnation for finite sin, it is not injustice And when what God says does not correspond with the facts, it is not lying. We, being depraved sinners, have no right to life, property, justice or truth.

  2. Michael Fugate

    Blame the victim – what people in power do.

  3. Dave Luckett

    That’s strange, TomS, us not being able to tell when God does evil, on account of he operates in a sphere beyond ours where we cannot know his mind and all. I seem to remember reading somewhere that we acquired the knowledge of good and evil at some point. Paid a pretty steep price for that knowledge, too. But now we’re told we don’t have it, after all. Sounds as if we were sold a pup, as we say in my country. We were cheated, that is.

    Well, why not? If infinite torture forever isn’t a crime when God does it, what’s a little fraud and misrepresentation?

  4. Richard’s boastful assertions look especially silly in light of those Israeli scholars, like archeologist Israel Finkelstein, who have undermined the basis for many of the foundational myths of Judaism. Is Richard taking issue with those experts who are directly on the scene where this stuff is alleged to have taken place?

    As for Ritchie’s constant abasement before his god: one good look at the debacle of systemic child abuse, and Yahweh’s failure to prevent it, makes a mockery of his much-vaunted power. And don’t give us this guff about free will. I bet just about every person who comments here at this site is a damn sight more moral than Ritchie’s pathetic deity– period.

  5. “no one has documented any errors in it. Many readers will misinterpret what is written.”
    Two possibilies:
    You don’t find any error: Richard the Infallible is right.
    You do find an error: you misinterpreted. Richard the Infallible is right.
    QED.

    “God operates in a sphere which is beyond our understanding.”
    Still Richard the Infallible thinks he understands or he wouldn’t write those letters.

  6. The Bible has been studied by more scholars than any other publication and no one has documented any errors in it. …[snip]… Many people believe in the evolution of man without a shred of evidence.

    It’s a great relief to see this. I had been wondering whatever happened to Baghdad Bob

  7. [quote]God operates in a sphere which is beyond our understanding. God has direct power over all of His creation. He does not seek our permission. He does what He wants to do when he sees that every thought of man is evil. God’s thoughts are way above our thoughts and we are not able to understand them.[/quote]
    In other word, if the plain words of the Bible (which fundamentalist creationists keep insisting should be accepted literally) don’t make sense, it’s only because we’re too stupid to understand them.

    It’s a perfect excuse: nonsense is really perfectly sensible, as Obi-wan says, “from a certain point of view.”

  8. As the god retreats further and further, the apologists proliferate. They’re like the crowd warmer, tossing out bad jokes and lousy one liners, trying to entertain the audience while everyone waits for the main act to appear.

  9. “That was a gross understatement by me because God is omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent!”

    1. So omnipotent that it can’t stop alleged demons like Satan, or about 25,000 children dying every single day of the week due to disease, malnutrition and injury.
    2. So omniscient that it couldn’t even see that its great plan for the Earth was going to fail so badly that it had to kill off all but a handful of people, a few hundreds of animals and all of the plants with an alleged worldwide flood.
    3. So omnipresent that it had to come down to the garden in Eden to see what was going on, and likewise for the Tower of Bable, etc.

    Richard sure provides convincing arguments!

  10. Michael Fugate

    Dave, are you saying that Adam and Eve might have eaten from the wrong tree after all? What if it is all a slander against Eve and women in general? What if God told them the wrong tree, knowing that they would be tempted? What if the snake was in on it with God? Biggest cover up in history…

  11. @Zetopan
    If God is omnipotent, omniscient and omnibenevolent, why does God make designs which are constrained by the laws of nature; why does God make changes in the designs; why do the designs act toward different ends (such as redators and prey, or ability to move through the difficulties caused by physical media). No, rather than “why”: What sense does it make for God to need to design a solution, when nothing can conceivably present a difficulty to require a solution, let alone a solution constrained by the laws of nature?

  12. Dave Luckett

    It’s a dilemma, isn’t it? Either we have an accurate sense of good and evil, and can tell when God does evil, or we don’t, in which case we’re innocent. You pays your money and you takes your choice. Oh, Euthyphro, oh won’t you answer me, for I’m off to ancient Athens with my zither on my knee,,,

  13. I’m interested in the difficulty about true and false that this raises.
    Because of the so-called Evolutionary Argument Against Naturalism. There is also a Design Argument Against Supernatualism: there is no reason to expect that supernatural design will hav be directed to producing truth.

  14. Ross Cameron

    Looks like Richard is off his meds. Again.