Klinghoffer: The Intelligent Designer and America

The Discovery Institute is lurching into new territory. This just appeared at their creationist blog: Great Minds: Stephen Meyer Interviews Michael Medved About Intelligent Design of U.S. History. It was written by Klinghoffer. Here are some excerpts, with bold font added by us for emphasis, and occasional Curmudgeonly interjections that look [like this]:

ID is a scientific theory [BWAHAHAHAHAHA!] competing with neo-Darwinian evolution, but it’s more than that: a paradigm for understanding human history, especially the history of the United States.

Ooooooooooooh! The intelligent designer — blessed be he! — is deliberately tinkering with human history. Klinghoffer says:

In a new podcast episode of Great Minds with Michael Medved, Mr. Medved switches places with ID theorist [Hee hee!] Stephen Meyer to discuss Medved’s latest book, The American Miracle: Divine Providence in the Rise of the Republic.

Here’s Medved’s book at Amazon. Meyer is a Discoveroid “senior fellow” and currently the Program Director of their Center for Science and Culture — the Discoveroids’ creationism shop. Gread minds indeed! Klinghoffer tells us:

Of all the books he’s written, says Medved, “This is the one with all my heart.” And you can tell from this discussion. Meyer asks Medved about the series of amazing coincidences that have guided the history of the country, starting with the meeting of the Pilgrims with their Indian friend Squanto. It begins to look like some intelligent agent has been arranging affairs toward an intended goal.

Ooooooooooooh! The intelligent designer was directly involved in American history. No doubt, that included the Salem witch trials. This is amazing! Klinghoffer continues:

The question becomes: Toward exactly what intended goal? If a providential plan was behind so many events of the past, something that can’t necessarily be said of other nations (no offense!), why did the source of that plan, the intelligent designer, undertake this course of action?

Who knows? The intelligent designer — blessed be he! — works in mysterious ways. Let’s read on:

As with ID in the realm of biology, we’re naturally prompted to ask what our response to the design should be. What vision does recognizing the role of providence spark in us? What message are we intended to derive that could inform how we act and think?

So many profound questions! Your Curmudgeon has always assumed that much of American history was influenced by the Enlightenment, but the Discoveroids are Enemies of the Enlightenment. Can their cutting-edge science give us the answer? Here’s another excerpt:

Suggested in the interview, Mr. Medved’s answer presses upon contemporary political questions and of course could be debated.

Huh? That’s all Klinghoffer is going to tell us? Oh wait — there’s a bit more:

As always, he is charming, provocative, and deeply informed. The paring with Steve Meyer works very well, I think!

That’s so sweet! And now we come to the end:

It’s a very compelling 20-minute conversation, up now on the Great Minds with Michael Medved website. [Link omitted.] There’s an audio and a video version. If you appreciate the programing like this, please consider giving now to help keep it going! [Link omitted.]

So there you are, dear reader. Go ahead, click over there and watch the video. Then give the Discoveroids a contribution. And when you do, tell ’em the Curmudgeon sent ya.

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20 responses to “Klinghoffer: The Intelligent Designer and America

  1. Theodore Lawry

    The Intelligent Designer has America’s back? Beliefs that God is on “our” side have a long and bad history. Gott Mit Uns, anyone?

  2. Michael Fugate

    Facepalm!

  3. It certainly fits the biblical narrative that the DI’s god is a-ok with wiping out certain peoples to the benefit of the chosen.

  4. Oh man, this screams for a Godwin. How can I resist?
    A certain Austrian politician who ruled for 12 years an empire that was supposed to last a thousand years also talked about providence all the time. Better not to ask what message we are intended to derive that could inform how we act and think. I like my bad jokes, but the first answer that pops up in my mind is even below my poor standards. For the first time since I learned who Klinkleclapper is I prefer not to hurt his feelings.

  5. Our Curmudgeon reports

    The Discovery Institute is lurching into new territory.

    But as other commentators on this page have already noted, there is nothing ‘new’ about the alarming territory the DI has entered. Anyone familiar with European history of the 1930’s will readily recognise the well-trodden–and deeply dangerous–path down which the DI would drag us, if they could, into a new Age of Endarkenment.

    I’ll refrain from pointing out the many ways in which this alarmingly reactionary political current is aided and abetted by the current US Administration on the grounds it’s too obvious to need explication.

  6. It is to be lamented that ‘Squanto’ (Tisquantum) did not leave an account of his own experience of Providence….

  7. The meeting between the Indians and the Pilgrims was intelligently planned and foreordained as a positive point in history? Then I suppose this intelligent designer likewise designed the killing of these same Indians across the land, putting them on reservations and otherwise ignoring and debasing them and stripping them of their lands and rights. Ah, but then the great designer must be an evangelical WASP.

  8. Compare and contrast:

    The white men made us many promises, more than I can remember, but they never kept but one: they promised to take our land, and they took it.

    — Maȟpíya Lúta (Red Cloud) of the Oglala Lakota (1890)

    It is impossible to capture in words the splendour of this vast continent which God has granted as our portion of His creation.

    –Ronald Reagan (1st Inaugural Speech, 1980)

  9. I wonder if he mentions that the Intelligent Designer made sure that European diseases decimated the indigenous populations making it even easier for Europeans to conquer the new world.

  10. You would have to concede, no normal mind could come up with this stuff.

  11. Michael Fugate

    One assumes this will be shelved in the fantasy section at my local bookstore.

  12. Is there any nation which does not have a claim to the right to their land? Even though there be another nation wich also claims the same land?

    I suggest that this constitutes a reductio ad absurdum to the Argument from Design.

  13. Klingy says “…so many events of the past, something that can’t necessarily be said of other nations (no offense!)…” Well, there’s Russia: a bad winter kept Napoleon at bay. I’m sure readers here can contribute many other examples of instances where the IDers are as badly informed about history as they are about science.

  14. ” … a providential plan was behind so many events of the past, something that can’t necessarily be said of other nations (no offense!)”,
    Well, I am offended! Why should the designer have only tweaked the course of American history. If that’s the case, then the designer is fully responsible for the mess that Hitler created.

  15. As in biology, once ID is invoked, it must be responsible for the bad design as well as the good. This means the designer contributed to the importation of Africans as slaves, the carnage of the civil war, and the numerous other dark periods of our history.

    I haven’t heard the ID theorists propose an evil designer, analogous to a devil, however such a being would become necessary fairly quickly if they begin to apply ID to historical events.

  16. Michael Fugate

    I thought it was a book on visiting the capital of Rhode Island – so disappointed.

  17. I’ve read similar screeds before. Their objective is to promote the idea that the U.S. is a “chosen nation” (as opposed to Israel, which calls itself a nation of the Chosen). They skip over, minimize or excuse the worse parts of out history while insisting that the better parts are God’s doing, not man’s.
    This inevitably leads to loopy claims such as that God intervened in the 2000 presidential election to put George W. Bush in the White House (God, it seems, doesn’t care much for the will of the people) and that the U.S. is a “Christian nation” and God’s instrument in the world.

    Unsurprisingly, such sentiments are tied tightly to a fundamentalist view of the Bible which places heavy emphasis on Genesis, Exodus and, of course, Revelations. That last should be particularly worrying, since it leads believers to actually hope for World War III, which they equate with Armageddon.

  18. Michael Fugate

    That John Adams and Thomas Jefferson both died on 4 July 1826 – 50 years after the signing of the Declaration of Independence – is Medved’s support for supernatural intervention in the US! He uses the same dubious probability arguments that the DI is famous for.

  19. @Eric Lipps: “This inevitably leads to loopy claims such as that God intervened in the 2000 presidential election to put George W. Bush in the White House”

    And the same idiot theocrats are saying the same thing about the Trumpster!
    https://www.vox.com/2018/5/30/17405720/liberty-evangelical-movie-trump-prophecy

    https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/01/27/millions-of-americans-believe-god-made-trump-president-216537
    https://historynewsnetwork.org/article/169429
    etc.

  20. Karl Goldsmith (@KarlGoldsmith)

    Latest meaning published two years ago and they must have copies they need to shift.

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