Hugh Ross Explains Who Created God

We first mentioned Hugh Ross almost ten years ago, in Hugh Ross: Creationist Oddity. Creationists sometimes cite him as an authority, so his name pops up around here from time to time — see, e.g.: General Relativity Is Proof of God. According to Wikipedia:

Ross obtained his Ph.D. in Astronomy from the University of Toronto and his B.Sc. degree in physics from the University of British Columbia. He established his own ministry in 1986, called Reasons to Believe that promotes progressive and day-age forms of old Earth creationism. Ross accepts the scientific consensus on the Big Bang theory, the age of the earth and the scientific age of the universe, however he rejects unguided evolution and abiogenesis as explanations for the history and origin of life.

There’s an article about Ross today in the Christian Post, which describes itself as “the nation’s most comprehensive Christian news website.” We don’t see any comments section. Their headline is Who Created God? Christian Astrophysicist Hugh Ross Answers. Here are some excerpts, with bold font added by us for emphasis, and occasional Curmudgeonly interjections that look [like this]:

Astrophysicist Hugh Ross of the Christian apologetics group Reasons to Believe has recently tackled the question of who or what created God. At a lecture given last week at Regent University [a bible college founded by Pat Robertson] titled “Does Science Prove God’s Glory?” [link omitted] Ross talked about the evidence for the Christian God as seen in recent scientific evidence.

Ooooooooooooh! Scientific evidence for God! Then they say:

“God has given us two books, the book of scripture and the book of nature,” stated Ross in reference to a concept developed by theologians in the Middle Ages. “In the 21st century we’re seeing, daily, that scientific discoveries are giving us more evidence for the Christian faith. [Wow!] New evidences from the book of nature shows us that we can trust the book of scripture.”

We’re not told what that evidence is. Instead, they change the subject to this:

During his speech, Ross explained that when he presents his scientific evidence for the existence of God, “the most common question” he gets in response is “Who created God?” “It’s not just scientists that ask that question. I get that question from little children. If God created the Universe, who created God?” said Ross. “As a matter of fact, both of my sons, before they reached 4 years of age, asked me that question.”

It’s a good question, so let’s learn the answer. The Christian Post continues:

Ross said that he explained to those who ask the question that there existed “these space-time theorems that tell us there’s actually more than one dimension of time. [Gasp!] Time is that dimension in which cause and effect phenomena occur. And we have these theorems that tell us that we have the universe come into existence before time exists,” noted Ross. “Which implies for the creator of the universe, that creator must have access to at least the equivalent of two independent dimensions of time.”

Are you following this, dear reader? No? Don’t worry — no one else is either, at least not yet. Let’s read on:

By noting that God can exist on a different timeline, Ross explained that this means “that God would have no beginning, no ending, and would be uncreated. And of all the world’s holy books, only the Bible says that about God. That He has no beginning, no ending, and is uncreated,” claimed Ross. “The Bible also stands alone in saying that God can arbitrarily expand time and compress time. ‘A day of the Lord is like a thousand years.’ ‘A thousand years is like a day.’ ‘A thousand years is like three hours in the night.'”

All clear now? Okay. The article goes on a bit longer, but that’s all there is from Ross so this is where we’ll quit. Now you know the scientific answer — according to Ross — to the question of who created God.

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24 responses to “Hugh Ross Explains Who Created God

  1. “By noting that God can exist on a different timeline, Ross explained that this means “that God would have no beginning, no ending, and would be uncreated. And of all the world’s holy books, only the Bible says that about God.”
    Not so. The Holy Book of the Spaghetti Monster says this and much more regarding his Noodleness’ existence,

  2. Phooey on the Spaghetti Monster! The Cosmic Aardvark has access to 69 dimensions of time.

  3. ‘A day of the Lord is like a thousand years.’ ‘A thousand years is like a day.’ ‘A thousand years is like three hours in the night.’”

    That’s heavy man.

  4. Michael Fugate

    Rossian reasoning – the Bible is true because it is the definition of truth.

  5. I think that it is Viewpoint Discrimination for creationists not to allow school kids to discuss this.

  6. That old article by our dear SC is worth reading. A Hugh Ross fanboy writes: “Unless you assume atheism as a brute posit, this organization is a serious contender, and worth a closer look.”
    OK, I’m an atheist and let’s not quibble if it’s a brute posit or a conclusion. Let me ask another question instead: how many closer looks have Ol’Hambo and the IDiots from Seattle taken?

  7. If god is “uncreated,” then god arose through some extra-dimensional form of abiosis. (Presumably god did not evolve from some simpler god-organism.)

    If the christian god can form this way, what prevents numerous other gods from also forming in the same “uncreated” way?

  8. Not that this is worth much thought, but I don’t see how multidimensional time has much to do with the question.
    1. Why is God constrained by space and time?
    2. A circular time of one dimension has no beginning. Even the half-line of t > 0 has no first point. So, too, the infinite whole real line.
    3. On the other hand, multidimensional time might still have a first point. Think of a cone, with the tip of the cone being the beginning.

  9. Another idiot who uses philosophy to make BS sound intelligent! Well he tried, but did not make the grade.

  10. Michael Fugate

    The obvious answer is humans created Ross’ God and every other god. Any attribute a god has is given to it by its human creators. Want immortality? Done. Want invisibility? Done.

  11. The Christian god was created by the idiot evangelists* about 1,900 years ago. Note that Ross does not show or publish his multidimensional time hypothesis in any form (i.e. it is “without form and void” B^).

    *The term “idiot evangelists” was written down in 504 by Victor, bishop of Tunis explaining how the gospels had been “censored and corrected” because the authors were idiots.

  12. I was distracted while reading the introduction, and for a moment there I thought we were onto something big… “Who created God? Christian Astrophysicist Hugh Ross”.

  13. Karl Goldsmith

    He is no better than the YECs he fights with, must be hard having to lie to yourself all the time.

  14. Michael Fugate

    When one looks at RtB beliefs, one finds nothing different than any other creationist organization/church.

    Here is their claims on humankind:
    We believe God created mankind in His image and likeness (having rational, moral, relational, and spiritual capacities) to fellowship with Him and give Him glory. Human beings are therefore the crown of God’s creation (possessing inherent dignity and moral worth), and thus distinct in kind from all other life on earth. Adam and Eve, the first human beings, chose to rebel against God and go their own autonomous way. As a result, all of mankind became separated from God, the image of God in man distorted, and the sinful nature passed on to all their progeny. Because of original sin (which includes both corruption and guilt), unregenerate human beings are incapable of pleasing or commending themselves to God. The only remedy for mankind’s pitiful predicament is redemption through faith in Jesus Christ.

    They have no reasons to believe that evolution is incorrect – other than it contradicts what they believe is claimed in Genesis. There are many ways to interpret Genesis and there seems little reason to pick their interpretation.

  15. @Michael Fugate
    God created mankind
    Or maybe humankind.
    But in any case, why say that God created a “kind” – whether that is a species or a population or a genus, whatever? That is an abstraction. Why not say that God created all of us, that God is my creator?

    Human beings are … distinct in kind from all other life on earth
    Yes, and platypuses are also distinct in kind. and so are gingkoes.

  16. Michael Fugate

    It is very vague, no? Why oppose evolution – given such vagueness?

  17. Yeah, Reasons to Believe are old-earth creationists — once the primary alternative to mainstream science, but more of an oddity these days.

  18. It appears that Ross got his “insights” from watching Doctor Who.

  19. SC asks how, according to ross, science gives us more evidence for the Christian faith.

    Here’s a sample from a piece on his site about “Discovery of missing atomic mass”, which estimated the amound of matter in the iterstellar medium:

    “The missing baryons problem of big bang cosmology has now been solved. Hence, the scientific case for the validity of the biblically predicted big bang creation model is more firmly established than ever before. [reference: Ross and Rea, “Big Bang.” No link,no details] Thus, we can all be assured that the God of the Bible personally created and designed the universe for the express benefit of human beings.”

    Have you ever wondered how it could be the case that a universe containing 10^22 stars could have been created for the express benefit of human beings? Wonder no longer, Hugh Ross has given you the answer

  20. “Hugh Ross has given you the answer.”
    Creationists are *very* narcissistic, the Earth and even the entire universe was “created” for the benefit of humanity (especially believers). Sadly, outside of the Earth, the universe could not care less about humanity.

  21. @Paul Braterman
    This seems to be the essay that he is referring to:
    https://www.thepoachedegg.net/2011/07/big-bang-the-bible-taught-it-first.html
    “The Big Bang – The Bible Taught It First”
    (BTW, I searched on Google, and had to wade through lots of things about some television thing. Also, I noticed that this essay says that Georges Lemaitre was a Jesuit – he wasn’t, he didn’t belong to any order – it seems that people assume that any literate Catholic priest is a Jesuit.)

  22. Michael Fugate

    I ask Ross, is there anything under heaven or earth which would contradict Christianity? I am pretty sure I know the answer.

  23. @Michael Fugate
    Is there any conceivable thing, even things whch do not happen, whch would?
    Is there any which does not prove your version of Christianity?
    Is there anything in your version of CHristiaity which is not taught in the Bible?
    And suggested answer:
    How about humans, chimps, and other apes being physically related by common descent with modification?

  24. Convergence – that is Ross’ answer.