Hambo: The Tower of Babel and the Incas

This is a good example of the incredibly advanced knowledge one can obtain with creation science. It’s from Ken Ham (ol’ Hambo) — the ayatollah of Appalachia, the world’s holiest man who knows more about religion and science than everyone else. He wrote this at Answers in Genesis (AIG), his creationist ministry: Could the Inca People Write? Here are some excerpts, with bold font added by us for emphasis, and occasional Curmudgeonly interjections that look [like this]:

It’s long been believed the great Inca civilization never left behind any written records. But what if that’s just because we couldn’t recognize their writing? A fascinating new study reveals the Incas did leave a written history behind — we just didn’t recognize it.

Hambo links to this article in New Scientist: We thought the Incas couldn’t write. These knots change everything. It’s about the presently inconclusive attempts to decipher Quipu — described by Wikipedia as: “recording devices fashioned from strings historically used by a number of cultures in the region of Andean South America. … The Inca people used them for collecting data and keeping records, monitoring tax obligations, properly collecting census records, calendrical information, and for military organization.”

Okay, back to Hambo. He says:

This civilization was complex and absolutely massive, stretching from modern-day Ecuador to Chile during the 1400s. They built a system of roads and woven bridges to connect the land, built ziggurats that still astound engineers today, and left behind a bevy of artifacts for us to puzzle over. One such group of artifacts is known as “khipu.” These are a system of knots tied into cords. Amazingly, these knotted cords are actually a system to store numbers.

You’re probably wondering what those knotted strings of the Incas have to do with creationism. Well, dear reader, as we proceed with Hambo’s post, you’ll be amazed. He tells us:

Mankind has always been intelligent — this is just another example. Those who left Babel and travelled to South America [What? How?] to establish their own civilization and culture were made in the image of God with intelligence and ingenuity. They also had a God-given language that came from the division at the Tower of Babel.

BWAHAHAHAHAHA! The Incas were descendants of Noah, and traveled to South America with their own language after the confusion at the Tower of Babel. Hambo continues:

Genesis 5:1 says, “This is the book of the generations of Adam.”

Ah, that’s Hambo’s evidence. Let’s read on:

There is no reason to believe that Adam, Noah, etc. did not have a written language/language system and could have handed documents down to Moses and later generations.

Right. There’s no reason not to believe that. There’s also no reason not to believe in the Time Cube or the Cosmic Aardvark. Hambo ends his post with this:

I encourage you to read the full article on this research — it’s fascinating to see the intelligence of those who left Babel and settled a new land.

There you are, dear reader. Make of it what you will.

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27 responses to “Hambo: The Tower of Babel and the Incas

  1. What’s more, the precursors to the Incas arrived in the Americas before the flood!

  2. Michael Fugate

    Not only did they have written language, they had time travel too!

  3. And apparently teleportation as well since the ancient Hebrews were not a seafaring people. Did angels carry two of each “kind” of language people from the fabled tower to South America? Inquiring minds want to know.

    Since the HAMster imagines that this new discovery meshes with biblical fictions why wasn’t this new discovery made by “creation scientists” ahead of secular scientists? Are the former spending too much time trying to disprove the constant speed of light and evolution as well as designing big boxes that are not seaworthy despite being described as being so?

  4. Also worth mentioning are the various “Mesoamerican writing systems” (article of that name in Wikipedia), much earlier, from about 900 BCE, and on the Idia-Pakistan ares, the “Indus script” from about 3500 BCE.
    The last is particularly interesting because Bushop Ussher dated the Tower of Babel at 2242 BCE.
    BTW the Bible in Genesis 10 tells us about the generations between the Flood and Babel.
    Verse 5: By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their land; every one after his tongue …
    Verse 20: These are the sons of aahm, after their families, after their tongues …
    Verse 31 These are the sons of Shem, after their families, after their tongues, …
    And then chapter 11 tells the story of Babel.

  5. another numerologist finding secret messages in the Bible. Why should we think that you are any different from the the countless others that have preceded you over thousands of years?

  6. Mark Germano

    The website mentioned above is full of amazing facts, like: “This a page.”

    Oh. Yes. It. Is.

  7. I am waiting for a study by Ken Ham on the migration from Babel to Australia. Apparently people arrived there 65,000 years ago. Not just pre-flood, but even pre-Adam people.

  8. And presumably, if someone points out to Ham that the Incas practiced child sacrifice, that would be because these Semitic descendants of Noah forgot all about the old ways and “degenerated” into pagan worship. But tying
    knots in cords is inconceivable without Yahweh.

    “Eee’s makin’ it up as ‘e goes along!”

    Or, as Frank B likes to say: the good stuff– attribute to God. The bad stuff– blame Man.

  9. “built ziggurats”

    Just the opening and he’s already wrong. The Inca built many amazing things in an incredibly short period of time, but no ziggurats.

    “A fascinating new study reveals the Incas did leave a written history behind — we just didn’t recognize it.”

    New? Pardon me, Ham, but people have been studying khipus for decades and trying to decode them. There’s an account by the Spanish that recounts how, when the Spaniards plundered a storehouse, the khipu kamayuq (men who used and “read” khipus) were working furiously on the knots to keep their records of what was going in and out correct.

    Yet what should I expect from Ham? He’s more than 4.5 billion years behind on earth science; what’s a few hundred years in archaeology?

  10. “There is no reason to believe that Adam, Noah, etc. did not have a written language/language system and could have handed documents down to Moses and later generations.”

    Quite true. Though, if the Bible makes no mention of it, it wouldn’t do for us to make inferences about it. On the other hand, if Noah did have a written language system the he did a bloody awful job of handing it down.

  11. @hans435 Quite true. Any even some of we, non-aboriginal, Johnny-come-lately types, take some pride in that.

    But this malarkey about people and animals travelling all over the globe after Noah’s Flood… Has any creation “scientist” done any actual research about the how, when, where of this extraordinary event event.

  12. “It’s long been believed the great Inca civilization never left behind any written records”
    Hardly a native English speaker will be aware of it, but the 19th Century German writer Karl May (who created characters like Old Shatterhand, Old Firehand, Old Surehand and Old Death) already was aware of it. The plot of his 1891 novel The Testament of the Inca (Das Vermächtnis des Inka) revolves about quipu, only readable by the last descendants of the Inca emperors. And it’s well known that Karl May found such information in encyclopedias …..
    Of course the NewScientist title is nothing but sensationalism. Too many archeologists and historians (let alone the reporters who write about it) are fond of it. Leave it to Ol’Hambo’s advanced creacrap to make even more of it!

    Our dear SC is flabbergasted: “Those who left Babel and travelled to South America [What? How?] ”
    Come on, if the sloth can do it so can Incas.

  13. Dave Luckett

    The Australian Aboriginal part of the human diaspora is a particularly interesting example of a datum that does not fit the Ham narrative. The languages of that people form a separate linguistic group all on its own, one
    of only six superfamilies of languages covering the entire planet, so different from all the others that they must be classified entirely separately. Hindi is far more closely related to English than any Aboriginal language is to any non-Aboriginal one. So radical a difference can be explained only by early divergence and very long isolation, and is one of several lines of evidence that places the arrival of human beings in Australia at least sixty thousand years back, involving the first long water crossing by any human group, forty thousand years before the immigration to America. DNA and stratigraphic evidence concurs, Radiocarbon dates so far have been younger – around forty thousand years.

    The radiocarbon dates are not much of a comfort to Ham, who says it happened only four thousand years back, only he discounts radiographic dating entirely. But of course for Ham, only a literal reading of Genesis is evidence – which it isn’t – and everything that contradicts it is not. Why? Because Ham says so. It’s by the almighty fiat, not of God, but of Ken Ham.

    Ham has in fact made the essential transition of the absolute authoritarian: he can no longer discern the difference between “God says it” and “I say it”, if indeed he ever could. He looks into the face of God and sees his own face.

    What does it take for a man to elevate himself to deity? Surely at his age he feels the aches and pains of a failing body. Can he not form the thought that his mind is as fallible? Or heed even the limited wisdom of Oliver Cromwell’s words: “I beseech you in the bowels of Christ, think it possible that you might be mistaken.” Or does Ham think that Old Noll was some kind of humanist agnostic?

    Has Ham ever heard of the wars of religion and what they did to the Western conscience, after centuries of bloody conflict? That is, the realisation that Jesus was right after all, and it was by their fruits that you knew them. Which is as good a method of assessing Ken Ham as any other.

  14. Ooh, Babel Linguistics is one of my favourite creationist subtopics. And unlike six-day creationism, which might be taught in a few fundamentalist colleges here and there (like Trumperty University), I don’t think any linguistic program anywhere in the world teaches that languages came from Babel.

    So Hambo thinks that Adam and/or Noah had a written language and handed down their records and grocery store receipts for Moses to read when he wrote the Torah. Exactly how is Moses supposed to have read them, since everyone after Babel was speaking a different language than the language of Adam?

    Hambo’s claim, undoubtedly meant to bolster Mosaic authorship of the Torah (something no scholar even entertains today), attempts to straddle that awkward division between rationalism and plenary inspiration. Christians defending the inerrancy of the Bible often try to switch between these two competing claims and hope you don’t notice. Is the Bible inerrant because they had super great archival resources and eyewitnesses (demonstrably not true), or is it inerrant because God wrote it himself using scribes like a medium at a seance? (In which case the bad grammar, differing authorial voices, differing perspectives, and so on are awfully hard to explain.)

  15. @Arch
    Ziggurats – he’s probably thinking of the step pyramids of Mesoamerica. Incas, Mayas, a thousand years, whatever.

  16. @PaulD gives me another opportunity to bring up my favourite creacrap hypothesis (see ChrisS above):

    “(In which case the bad grammar, differing authorial voices, differing perspectives, and so on are awfully hard to explain.)”
    Don’t blame Ol’Hambo’s god. He’s omnivolent so it’s those scribents plus all copiists after them (due to original sin) who screwed up.

  17. @TomS: indeed, whatever. They all look the same:

  18. Dave Luckett, I don’t know what happened to your comments. I assume they’re all the same, so the last of your three attempts has been restored.

  19. @FrankB They do look the same. And that’s OK. But the point being made, I think, is that the word “ziggurat” has a very specific context.

    According to Wikipedia, “Ziggurats were huge religious monuments built in the ancient Mesopotamian valley and western Iranian plateau, having the form of a terraced step pyramid of successively receding stories or levels”. (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Step_pyramid). “Mesoamerican pyramids”, as Wikipedia likes to call them, [are] usually step pyramids with temples on top [which] recall the ziggurats of Mesopotamia rather than the pyramids of Ancient Egypt”.(https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesoamerican_pyramids)

    So similar design, yes; similar name, most definitely no; approx distance between Mesopotamia and Chile, 14,000-odd kilometres.

  20. @FrankB
    Omnivolent? All wishing? Or all flying?

    And as far as pyramids, there are those who think that the Egyptian pyramids look the same, which prove that Egyptians sailed to America. That solves the population of America, give or take a few thousand years.

  21. @tedonoz
    But there is another difficulty. There were Mesoamerican step pyramids in places like Teotihuacan, near Mexico City, before AD 500, Chichen Itza, in the Yucatan peninsula, before AD 1000, and scattered places in the isthmus of Panama. I don’t think that there are any step pyramids in the Inca territory, in the Andes, some 4000 km to the south.

  22. tedinoz, I seem to recollect a “scientist ” named Baumgartner who claimed that super fast plate tectonics explains all of the diaspora post flood.

  23. Yeah, but Baumgardner’s “runaway subduction” was suppose to happen during the Flood, not after. So, no people on continental speedboats.

  24. @Anonymous Thank you, I stand corrected and am presently extracting my foot foot my mouth.

    @DouglasE Thank you. It’s quite easy to make claims, isn’t it. DI, for example, is famous for it and Ken Ham often relies on an Ice Age. But such claims never quite go beyond the extent of a hypothesis, which has a very long way to go before it might be considered a “theory”.

  25. Mark Germano

    Dang, SC. if you are going to remove a comment from a creationist, you might as well remove our responses to it, as well.

    Also, Hamm forgot to mention, along with Ziggurats, khipu, the designated hitter, double entry bookkeeping, and the “Llama, Llama” series of children’s books, one of the great legacies of the ancient Andean cultures: Inca Kola, which pairs nicely with a spicy ceviche.

  26. Sorry, Mark Germano. It was a difficult judgment call. If a creationist isn’t amusing, I don’t want him around — even if there was a response.