Creationist Wisdom #932: Simple Decision

Today’s letter-to-the-editor appears in the Daily Republic of Mitchell, South Dakota. It’s titled Scripture supports creation from God, and the newspaper doesn’t have a comments feature.

Because the writer isn’t a politician, preacher, or other public figure, we won’t embarrass or promote him by using his full name. His first name is Dan. Excerpts from his letter will be enhanced with our Curmudgeonly commentary, some bold font for emphasis, and occasional Curmudgeonly interjections that look [like this]. Here we go!

There is one reason people “choose” endorsing the theory of evolution — to justify that they can ignore or reject God and ease their conscience.

Dan understands you very well, dear reader. The only reason you’re an evolutionist is because otherwise, you couldn’t live with your guilty conscience. Then he says:

Evolution makes no more sense than believing Mount Rushmore designed itself. It didn’t and the world didn’t create itself. We are complex and believing that something evolved from nothing into life and for another miracle of male and female appearing at the same time would take more to believe in evolution than creation by God!

What a collection of creationist clunkers! Mt. Rushmore is a Discoveroid argument — see Mt. Rushmore Is Designed, Therefore …. “Something from nothing” is an argument they all use, and we first encountered the “miracle” that male & female exist at the same time at the Jack Chick website — see Sex Is Evolution’s Nightmare.

Then he criticizes an earlier letter-to-the-editor:

Maybe Travis Kriens (the letter writer in the Dec. 8 edition) has never thought it through.

He’s talking about this: Let’s really look at evolution, which is quite rational. For his rebuttal, Dan gives us yet another clunker, which most of you will recognize as Pascal’s Wager:

If someone believes in God and his plan of salvation, accepting Jesus Christ as personal Lord and Savior to forgive anyone wanting forgiveness for sins committed, if that were not true, what would one be out? However, if the Bible is true, (it is), if one dies in their sins without accepting Jesus as the only hope of forgiveness, that person would spend an eternity separated from God in a place prepared for the devil and his angels.

Dan’s next two paragraphs are nothing but bible quotes. We’ll let you click over there to read those. He finishes his letter with this:

The good news — although we all are sinners, God still loves us and wants to spend eternity with everyone He has created. It is so simple, yet it’s up to each of us to make that decision. [Another bible quote.]

Dan has it all figured out, and he’s made his decision. What about you, dear reader?

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14 responses to “Creationist Wisdom #932: Simple Decision

  1. I was wavering. Then I realised that if I went to heaven, I’d have people like Dan for company. Forever. That clinched it

  2. The “Mount Rushmore” argument interests me.
    What if a stranger happened to come across the images of US presidents on Mount Rushmore, and asked a local what was their origin.
    The local tells him, “They were designed.”
    Stranger, “Thank you. But that isn’t very informative. It isn’t like I thought that they might have just grown there, like the trees or something living. Don’t you have some information about who did it, when they did it, why? How dd they come to realization from the design plans? It must be an interesting story.”
    Local, “Are you an atheist? Don’t you know that all living things are intelligently designed. Just like those sculptures.”

  3. Michael Fugate

    Why is God any more likely?

  4. Laurettte McGovern

    Dan, stop being stupid. Think harder.

  5. Hey, Dan worked hard on that letter. He signed his name to it. The whole town will see it and he’s very proud.

  6. Michael Fugate

    Dan was a delegate to the 2016 RNC…
    http://www.p2016.org/chrnothp/sdgopdelegates.html

  7. Dan makes, in slightly different form, an assertion often made by some Christians, taking their inspiration from Romans 1:20, Paul’s notion of why there continued to be non-believers despite their hearing of the Good News. The reason some continue to disbelieve is that although they know God is real (everybody knows that!), they refuse to acknowledge Him out of their wish to continue to sin.

    So we get Dan’s reason for accepting the Theory of Evolution: it facilitates ignoring God. Ignoring Him, please note. We agnostics and humanists know He’s there. We just don’t want to acknowledge Him. (I leave out “atheists” altogether. Under this doctrine, nobody is an atheist. They just say they are.) All this talk of evidence is piffle. They all know God created the world and everything in it. They’re just denying it because they want to shut their eyes to God.

    Thus, evidence is dismissed as a reason for belief or disbelief. In a certain sense, evidence doesn’t exist. It certainly is not the means for decision. Dan doesn’t think he believes. He thinks he knows.

    If he had the smarts to ask how he knows, he might say it’s by revelation. Which is a lay-down slam, if you think about it. You can’t even ask why you haven’t had that revelation. It’s pointless. Dan has his choice of two responses: you have had it, and have ignored it out of sheer obdurate sinfulness; or God does as He wills, and if you’re not among the elect, too bad.

    The only line that suggests itself to me, in the face of that smug certainty, is to cite a few of the many examples of the same faith being behind fell and bloody deeds. Many people have believed that the Truth (capital T) has been revealed to them. They have often been wrong, with hideous results. At this point Jesus’s maxim might be quoted: “You will know them by their fruits”.

    Dan will not have thought that far, almost certainly. Still he might come back with something like, “Those are false revelations”. His feet can be held to the fire by asking “How do you know your revelation is the true one, then?”. But it will make no impact, if he’s sufficiently advanced (or retarded) in the faith. He doesn’t know how he knows. He doesn’t need to know how. He just knows.

    There’s no progress to be made, and no point, if the mind you’re dealing with is really like that. Only two considerations occur to me: one, it’s possible that the mind is not absolutely closed, locked and barred. You might possibly have levered open a chink. Light and water the same, they pour through any gap. And two, any public discourse deals with more than one mind, at least potentially.

    But whether those small offsets make it worth the tedious, wearisome and unrewarding labour of dealing with someone like Dan is a moot point.

  8. @Dave Luckettoo
    Yes, but.
    That argument shows that belief in the Creator has nothing to do with understanding the ways of the natural world.
    Whether one accepts Jesus as one’s personal savior, which includes belief that God creates all that is, isn’t intended to explain the nested hierarchy of the variety of life, or biogeography, or the appearance of deep time, etc. Such questions are not what, as the Bible tells us, the Bible is useful for.

  9. “The only reason you’re an evolutionist is because otherwise, you couldn’t live with your guilty conscience.
    In a way this is correct. I’d feel very guilty if I claimed to accept science while rejecting science, like all creacrappers so.

    “the world didn’t create itself.”
    Danny is right! Fortunately science doesn’t make this claim.

    “believing that something evolved from nothing into life and for another miracle of male and female appearing at the same time would take more to believe in evolution than creation by God!”
    Danny’s clunkers are so big that by accident he’s right again! What a guy. Indeed, evolution theory does not claim that “something evolved from nothing into life”, nor that a miracle was involved when male and female appeared at the same time. Believing that would take way too much indeed.

    “Maybe Travis Kriens has never thought it through.”
    That may be the case of course, but I’m confident that Danny hasn’t given it any thought at all ever. He rather has heard a bell ringing but has no idea where the pendulum is hanging.

    “that person would spend an eternity separated from God in a place prepared for the devil and his angels.”
    Ah, Danny is a polytheist. Well, spending eternity in the company of Danny and his stupidities doesn’t sound any better, let alone being connected to his god for such a long time, so I stick to my bet.

    “God still loves us and wants to spend eternity with everyone He has created.”
    I’ve made my decision too,l dear SC: I stay away from the likes of Danny as far as possible, especially in afterlife. Thanks for reminding me again what horror would be awaiting!

  10. There’s those angels again.

    Ken Ham is probably been holding the angels up his sleeve until they can think of a good attraction to build at his theme park. The mind boggles.

  11. Poor Danny. Still spouting company policy, but the CEO’s left the building.

  12. Mt Rushmore COULD have done itself! Look at the Man in the Mountain in NH. it created itself, with the aid of some loose human imagination, and then it destroyed itself!!

  13. @l.Long
    On the other hand, we all know that those sculptures were designed. And we know that design was not enough to produce the results. Somebody (or something) had to do the work – the application of physical work, following the laws of nature, on the raw material of the mount. We know that, just as much as we know that physical processes were necessary to produce the Old Man of the Mountain in New Hampshere, just as much as we know that physical processes had to happen to produce the trees and other living things.)
    Whether or not there is a design, design is not enough.
    And if there is a design, what do we know about the design? That the design needed to take account of the physical forces and the material. That’s part of the whole point of design. If you don’t have to take account of such things, then there isn’t any point to design. Does God need to take account of such things?

  14. @Paul Braterman. Your cmt reminds me of Dr Asimov’s, noting that eternity spent singing hymns of praise “…sounds like hell to me…”. I’m w/ Mark Twain’s cmt, “…at no inconvenience…” and look forward to a Long Sleep TYVM.