ICR Says You Can’t Fool a Creationist

Pay attention, Darwinist sinner! Your days of being able to fool creationists with your slick science talk are over. The Institute for Creation Research (ICR) — the fountainhead of young-earth creationist wisdom — is aware of your sleazy tactics. Their article is titled Beware the Bait of False Hypotheticals.

It was written by James J. S. Johnson, J.D., Th.D. He has two middle initials, which is very classy, and he not only has a law degree, but he’s also a Doctor of Theology. He’s described at the end as “Associate Professor of Apologetics and Chief Academic Officer at the Institute for Creation Research.” Here are some excerpts from his post, with bold font added by us for emphasis, and occasional Curmudgeonly interjections that look [like this]:

At a recent ICR event in Massachusetts, an attendee asked a trap-loaded question: “Some say that minor errors in the Bible are okay because they don’t hurt the Bible’s main message — but how do you deal with the Bible’s errors?” [Hey, that’s a good question!] The scoffer added, “How do you fix your theology when new scientific discoveries prove that your literal belief in the Bible doesn’t work?”

Well, how should a creationist deal with that? Jimmy Johnson says:

Notice how the critic’s leading questions included built-in assumptions: “The Bible contains errors. Your theology is broken. Science disproves the Bible. A literal belief in the Bible is unreasonable.” [Are those assumptions or observations?] They are similar to this unfair question: “Yes or no, have you stopped beating your wife?”

Wow! Keen insight! He tells us:

Beware! Before you let a critic’s question put your faith on trial, put the question itself on trial. Judge it for legitimacy — it might be deceptively illegitimate.

Hold on! Is it “deceptively illegitimate” to ask a creationist why the bible speaks in so many places about the Earth being flat? Jimmy Johnson continues:

Speaking of trials, such sophistry is routinely rejected in real-world courtroom trials, such as when a witness is asked a question that prematurely presupposes unproven facts. … The proper response to a false hypothetical in a courtroom context is: “Objection, the question assumes facts that are not supported by the evidence.”

What’s he saying? Do we have to prove the Earth isn’t flat before we can ask the question? Let’s read on:

So, how should we, as believers, respond? Reply that such questions are defective and misleading as asked because they contain false hypotheticals that require assuming unproven allegations.

Wait a minute! Don’t creationists assume a lot of unproven allegations — like, for example, the age of the universe? Jimmy doesn’t even consider such a question. Instead he tells us how masterfully he answered the question from the “scoffer”:

To the Massachusetts challenger, I countered: “You assume that Scripture contains scientific errors, but I reject that assumption. You need to identify a few examples of these so-called errors — or even just one — then we can discuss your question using specific topics that exist in the real world.”

Anybody can come up with at least one. For example: “Hey, Jimmy — how about that firmament thing? Where is it?” But let’s stay with Jimmy’s story. How did the scoffer respond to him? We’re told:

Unsurprisingly, the challenger had no example available despite his boast that Scripture contained lots of errors. [Really?] Like him, other skeptics often ask similar questions using false hypotheticals as bait in debate-like discussions.

BWAHAHAHAHAHA! Very believable. Here’s Jimmy’s advice to his drooling fans when skeptics ask questions based on “false hypotheticals”:

When they do, tell them they may be entitled to their own hypotheticals but not to their own universe — God rules the real universe.

Right. No unproven assumptions there! And now we come to the end:

In summary, don’t automatically assume that a hypothetical scenario can occur unless and until there is real evidence that it actually does occur. God’s Word is sure. God makes sure that the universe never contradicts what He has said in Scripture. God’s truth rules and matches the real world. So, don’t be baited by false hypotheticals!

And what do we learn from this, dear reader? One thing for sure: You don’t want to get into a debate with Jimmy Johnson. He’s too smart!

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86 responses to “ICR Says You Can’t Fool a Creationist

  1. I am not a lawyer, but I have seen actors portraying lawyers on TV. When TV lawyers say, Objection, the question assumes facts that are not supported by the evidence., they are saying that the evidence has not been presented to the court, not that there is no evidence. Moreover, when the question is not in direct examination but in cross-examination, a leading question is permitted. (See the Wikipedia articles on those topics.) BTW, when the lawyer says “assumes facts that are not supported”, the lawyer is making a statement without offering the evidence for that.

    Lawyers can get away with stuff in court that no witness would be permitted .

  2. BTW, for some reason, my computer is often skipping my signtaure. I am the author of the “I am not a lawyer” post. I throw myself on the mercy of the Cosmic Aardvark.

  3. For some reason, my computer is often skipping my signature. I am the author of the “I am not a lawyer” post. I throw myself on the mercy of the Cosmic Aardvark.

    [*Mysterious addendum*] The Cosmic Aardvark throws up on you.

  4. A Doctor of Theology with a law degree. That’s like Billy Graham crossed with Atticus Finch. That scoffer didn’t stand a chance. The hunter became the hunted.

    Hotshot Jimmy J was on home turf: apologetics is like a Kafaesque courtroom, where the outcome is determined in advance, according to its own implacable laws.

  5. In summary, don’t automatically assume that a hypothetical scenario can occur unless and until there is real evidence that it actually does occur. God’s Word is sure. God makes sure that the universe never contradicts what He has said in Scripture. God’s truth rules and matches the real world. So, don’t be baited by false hypotheticals!

    Such as “God exists, and Scripture as written in the English of the early seventeenth century is a literal rendering is His infallible Word”?

  6. [J.J.S.J., J.D., Th.D.] “In summary, don’t automatically assume that a hypothetical scenario can occur unless and until there is real evidence that it actually does occur. God’s Word is sure. God makes sure that the universe never contradicts what He has said in Scripture.”

    Is ‘hypothetical scenario!’ to be used in place of ‘fake news!’ in front of the evidence? For example:
    – Genesis 1 and 2 contradict one another on the order of events during creation.
    – Hypothetical scenario! I do not listen!

  7. The problem is, it’s all in the translation and interpretation of the text. A clever apologist can weasel out of practically any of the usual citations of Biblical scientific falsehoods. The firmament just means the observed sky; bats are “flying things”, which is what the Bible calls them; God’s throne on the arch of the sky actually means “dome” (never mind that domes weren’t invented then, and that a dome is equally wrong); the “circle of the Earth” should be translated “sphere”; the inaccurate value for pi for the ratio of the diameter and circumference of a cauldron is perfectly OK so long as the two measures are taken respectively around the inside of the rim, and across edge-to-edge; the goats that bore striped young because they looked at a striped stick describes a miracle, that is an event outside of the usual order of nature, and the Bible writer knew as well as you do that it wouldn’t happen naturally. And so on. Put to it, in the rare last resort, the apologist can claim that the words cited are obviously metaphorical, exaggeration for dramatic effect or emphasis. So Satan didn’t show “the whole world” to Jesus from a mountaintop – the expression is poetic hyperbole for dramatic effect. (Never mind asking whether the whole story is the same.)

    Every citation can be waved away by such means. I will undertake to do so for any one, and I no more than anyone here believe in such tosh.

    The question should be inverted. Instead of trying to find examples of Biblical mis-statements, the skeptic should be asking for truthful ones. What scientific truths ahead of its time does the Bible state in clear terms? Where does it demonstrate a knowledge of the Universe that people of the time of its writing did not possess?

    The answers are “none” and “nowhere”. Attempts by the scientific illiterates at ICR to find some are all simply ridiculous. The droolers in their train will not see that, of course, but others will. And the general principle holds: they say the Bible states verifiable scientific facts; it is therefore for them to prove that it does, not for us to show that it doesn’t.

  8. ICR says “Beware! Before you let a critic’s question put your faith on trial, put the question itself on trial.” Translation: You must stick to your position no matter what the facts say. If you don’t. its the Lake of Fire”. Donations accepted. No logical discussion permitted.

  9. @Dave Luckett
    About “the whole Earth” being just hyperbole. There are several instances where fundamentalists will gladly agree that that expression is just obvious hyperbole. At Pentecost, there were people from the whole word. When Joseph was an official in Egypt, there was a famine over the whole world, and people were fed from the reserves in Egypt, and Solomon received gifts from all over the world. No problem in accepting those as innocent hyperbole. But in one case, that is forbidden. In one case, it has to be literally true. Why? Because preacher so-and-so says so, that’s why.

  10. Whenever a creationist claims to have received an email or encountered a confrontation with a “Darwinist” it’s certainly a lie. The Gerb did that all the time and so does KlinkleTinkle. They just make up a straw man confrontation and emerge the hero. It’s total BS.

    Why? Because all creationists are dishonest. At the least they are intellectually dishonest and at the worst they are legally dishonest.

  11. A la Ray Comfort, I showed them my banana and they were speechless.

  12. “God rules the real universe.”

    Which creationists invariably fail to recognize as a unevidenced hypothetical.

    “Associate Professor of Apologetics and Chief Academic Officer at the Institute for Creation Research”

    In other words, yet another idiot creationist who fails to even know that theology, including Apologetics, was expelled from science 4 centuries ago! Creationists have zero chance of winning within science which is why their attacks are always based on apologetics – an obscurantism invented by theologians for defending their absurdities.

  13. @Zetopan
    BTW, the “Ruler of All” struck me as something which is unusual to hear from a western Christian, particularly a non-Catholic. It is more associated with an Eastern icon, Christ Pantocrator. See the Wikipedia article. ISTM rather distant from creationism, indeed odd in that context.
    BTW Cosmic Aardvark, I now am paying closer attention to my signature. It is no longer being automatically appended and I wonder whether others are experiencing the same.

  14. “Don’t creationists assume a lot of unproven allegations — like, for example, the age of the universe?”
    No. The Bible says so (according to the literalist) hence it’s proven to be true. I refer you to Ol’Hambo’s Biblical lens. And when you mention stuff like the Flat Earth, pi equals 3 or bats are birds you’re too stupid to accept the special pleading of the literalist. Checkmate, you athiest materialist.

    “unless and until there is real evidence”
    Exactly! And any such evidence by definition is not real.
    What I learned is (again): you simply can’t beat creacrap.

  15. A double humiliation for us Darwinist sinners: up to our necks in creacrap in this life. Up to our necks in boiling vomit or excrement in the next one.

    As Travis Bickle might have put it, prowling the streets of New York in his yellow cab: “There’s no escape. We’re Darwin’s Lonely Man.”

  16. @FrankB
    Can one inoculate the general public against creationism, inducing herd immunity? While there may be no treatment for advanced creationism, perhaps there is way of preventing its contagion.

  17. @TomS: I hope so. AfaIk there is no single reliable method, so I recommend to try multiple ones: sometimes civil, well-reasoned arguments, sometimes merciless mockery and everything in-between. Just make sure we have the facts behind us. It’s the task of scientists to make all the necessary info available; amateurs like you and me can go a few steps further. So I’m OK with Lents, Swamidass and Lenski commenting Behe’s latest crap dump, but otherwise I’m with you. They should avoid any further discussion and leave it to us. Of course it’s very helpful and encouraging if they give some additional supportl, like Swamidass did recently.
    Some optimism is justified. The popularity of creacrap in the USA is declining according to Gallup. But it will take quite some time before it has reached an acceptable level like FET, so I don’t fear for the future of this nice blog.

  18. Just when you think you’ve heard the extreme, now, so it seems, measles helps fight cancer. I’m not sure exactly why there is a conspiracy to stamp out measles, or is it to promote cancer – and, if so, why vaccination doesn’t work for the conspiracy – but I’m sure that we will be filled in with all the details.

  19. Karl Goldsmith

    Can you fool someone who has already fooled themselves?

  20. Karl Goldsmith

    Ha ha what a retard.

  21. And creationists complain about uniformitarianism and extrapolating into the past – except when they don’t.

  22. In that site, there is a article from 2014 which is still arguing from the variation of the magnetic field for a young Earth. M’gosh, magnetic field reversals have been a subject of study for at least 50 years!

  23. Ah, Jonathan Sarfati, a great expert on Noah’s Ark and much more.


    Click to access chapter14.pdf

    Relativity and quantummechanical probabilism prove IDiocy and hence Young Earth Crap:


    When the man quit playing chess he created a lose-lose situation.


  24. Which goes to show that intelligence in one field need not mean anything about other capabilities.

  25. Michael Fugate

    Or the power of wishful thinking…

  26. There is a news story FRO The Guardian about a “Text generator is too dangerous to release”
    What would that do in generating a defense of YEC or ID?
    @Michael Fugate
    I wonder whether I could do better than an appeal to the variation of geomagnetism. I think so. And I am not a very good chess player. Although it is quite a challenge, to come up with a coherent defense of YEC.

  27. Michael Fugate

    One can’t evaluate it as science when its purpose is as an apologetic. In the former, one is looking for the truth. In the latter, one has already found the truth and is merely searching for a means to retain belief in that truth.

  28. So all you ridiculing NeoDawkinsDelusionists, tell us where the Inca, Chinese, Europeans saw these dinosaurs pre printing press the Inca 2500 years ago? https://genuinearticlex7.com/2019/02/05/dinosaur-pictures-dinosaur-soft-tissue-human-evolution-timeline-dawkins-delusion-religion-of-evolution/

  29. Default position: a creacrapper is lying until proven otherwise.

    “Mary Schweitzer found soft tissue in Tyrannosaurus Tibia, in Montana.”
    Has been debunked since long.


    Pick your choice. Sarfati is dishonest, ignorant, stupid or some combination. Why would I trust the rest of that link?

  30. @genuineanticlimax7
    What makes you think those figurines are 2500 years old? Most of them don’t even look 20 or 30 years old.

    You’ve been hoaxed, friend. We need solid evidence for human/dino cohabitation, such as hominin fossils found in the same geological strata as non-avian dinosaurs. Claims of organic tissue in dino fossils is not enough, either, to establish recent age — after all, there are always anomalies in the sciences.

    If dinosaurs died out only recently — and that raises all sorts of other questions as to why, exactly — then any fossils should reveal DNA samples, which could be sequenced, the way we’ve extracted DNA from 30,000 year old Neanderthal bones, or mastodons, and such-like.

  31. I didn’t see any claim of the provenance of those images. It is not worth anybody’s time to do what you should have done.
    But I had to be struck by the anachronism of Incas of 2500 years ago. That is well over 1500 years before there were any Incas.

  32. Michael Fugate

    This is what happens when you believe that a book is completely without error – that if one sentence, on thought, one idea, one fact in the Bible is wrong, then the whole Bible is wrong. You have backed yourself into a corner from which you cannot escape. You also now believe that if one thought, one idea, one fact contradicts our current understanding of evolution, then evolution is wrong in totality.

  33. Soft tissue in Dinosaur bones, bones, not fossils is the norn as Mark Armitage PREDICTED! And there is still carbon in them? https://genuinearticlex7.com/2019/02/15/evidence-you-must-see/

  34. Creacrapper starts lying, creacrapper keeps on lying.
    See the Talkorigin link I gave above.

  35. if one sentence, one thought, one idea, one fact in what I say is wrong, then the whole Bible is wrong

  36. Michael Fugate

    Has our creationist ever read anything about fossils or fossilization? Why no DNA if the bones are that young?

  37. Can our evolutionist follow a word problem? I have evidence you have a big mouth. And that’s all.

  38. @Genuinearticlex7
    I haven’t heard any creationist with an answer to this old question
    “Why resort to contrivance, where power is omnipotent? Contrivance, by its very definition and nature, is the refuge of imperfection. To have recourse to expedients, implies difficulty, impediment, restraint, defect of power.”
    William Paley, “Natural Theology”

  39. Michael Fugate

    You have dinosaur DNA?

  40. TomS: Daniel 12: 3, 4: Those who are wise[a] will shine like the brightness of the heavens, and those who lead many to righteousness, like the stars for ever and ever. 4 But you, Daniel, roll up and seal the words of the scroll until the time of the end. Many will go here and there to increase knowledge.”

    He replied, “Go your way, Daniel, because the words are rolled up and sealed until the time of the end. 10 Many will be purified, made spotless and refined, but the wicked will continue to be wicked. None of the wicked will understand, but those who are wise will understand.

    11 “From the time that the daily sacrifice is abolished and the abomination that causes desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days. 12 Blessed is the one who waits for and reaches the end of the 1,335 days.

    13 “As for you, go your way till the end. You will rest, and then at the end of the days you will rise to receive your allotted inheritance.”

    That is a prophesied word problem. Jesus pointed to Daniel precisely here from Matthew 24. Then moving to Revelation 11:1 we get an angel speaking to John telling him to measure the temple.

    So I (the wise … Ok I guess) have Jesus pointing to a temple word problem 600 years later and the identical problem 60 years after his death (followed by resurrection and guess what? No not chicken butt. PERFECT CORRELATION BETWEEN THE TWO WORD PROBLEMS with the Lord of Creation Jesus in the bright spotlight of history. I’d say Power is finally proven as omnipotent. CONTRIVANCE! Idiotmorons. Nine more word problems solved in Miscquoting Calculus. Sixth grade math! Simple enough for even Richard Dawkins to follow leaving you with 1 x 10 ^ -8 chance (very near zero) chance God Did Not Write the Bible. $ 3.99 on Amazon. “End of Days” Daniel’s scrolls are unsealed and the Dawkins Delusion is almost at an end. CQ

  41. Like I said, nothing except Big Mouth. Chris Queen (BSME)

  42. Design = contrivance.

    Thus anyone who believes in design does not believe in creation by the omnipotent, but in contrivance.

    You take your choice: creation or design: Judeo-Christian or pagan.

  43. @Genuinearticle makes a bold statement:

    ” I have evidence you have a big mouth.”
    Nope. You have a big lie. See the Talkorigins link I gave above.
    Oh – and you have a badly outdated Holy Book.
    Yes, we can follow a word problem. You are the one having it.

  44. Word problem:

    If the destruction of the temple was in 70 C.E., and the Gospel of Matthew was written between 80 and 90, how many years after the destruction of the temple did the anonymous author predict the event?

  45. @Mark Germano
    Vaticinium ex eventu.

  46. Michael Fugate

    What happened to Jesus, wasn’t he supposed to come back real soon 2000 years ago?

  47. Michael F – I am sure that you know how the apologists twist themselves like pretzels to get around such a “supposition”: https://www.desiringgod.org/interviews/jesus-said-hed-return-soon-so-where-is-he

  48. BTW, prophecy does not mean telling the future.
    The Bible warns against telling the future.

  49. Michael Fugate

    I love how those reading the Bible literally don’t literally read the Bible literally.

    Just mention magic and the vehement response is we don’t believe in magic! Yet the Magi are a prominent part of the Jesus story.

  50. The Bible can “literally” tell you almost anything you want to hear.

  51. Michael Fugate

    As I overheard at the local market rife with overt Bible readers, “You can find the answer to any question in the Bible” said a young woman attempting to proselytize a middle-aged man. If geniunearticle is a example, then the answers found aren’t likely to be correct.

  52. @Michael Fugate
    This reminds me of a story about Groucho Marx.
    He was introduced to a medium, and was told that the mediium could answer any question. Groucho asked, “What is the capital of North Dakota?”

    If I had the chance to get an answer to any question, my immediate reaction would be to ask whether P=NP. But, on reflection, I realize that the answer would be useless without a reason for it. Rather, one should ask something like
    * How can we know whether P=NP?
    Other interesting questions would be:
    * What question does not have an answer?
    * What is the best way to get rid of superstition?

  53. Michael Fugate

    When genuinearticle asks the Bible what is the age of the earth he claims the Bible tells him the earth is 6000 years old. It is an answer, but it is not a very good one.

  54. The earth’s magnetic field as scientifically measured tells us so.

  55. My proofs are as solid a Newton’s. Math doesn’t tell you whatever you want to hear.

  56. Gag7 reminds me of the late John Davison, former biology professor from Arkansas, if memory serves. That guy could rant like nobody’s business! He’d end his rant with a challenge: How do you like those raspberries? Or blueberries or dingleberries; some kind of berry. He was always pushing his “prescribed evolutionary hypothesis” that was quite a howler. Still, I miss the old coot getting all wound up.

  57. “scientifically measured”

    Unlike the speed of light, which is, um, unscientifically measured, I guess?

  58. Having some issues with this whole “Anonymous” and signing in thingamabob. As penance, I’ll clean the stables at the Ark Park.

  59. @Anonymouus: IGRF Data: Electromagnetic Field is certainly measurable. Dr Humphries used IGRF data to calculate and extrapolate and it says no older than 10,000 years and you have 2,000 years left: Excerpt from my post, 40 Billion Pound Elephant Chris Queen BSME, quoting Dr. Humpries PhD Physics. Quote: ‘This paper [writes Dr Humphreys] closes a loophole in the case for a young earth based on the loss of energy from various parts of the earth’s magnetic field. Using ambiguous 1967 data, evolutionists [an amazing faith] had claimed that energy gains in minor (“non-dipole”) parts compensate for the energy loss from the main (“dipole”) part. However, nobody seems to have checked that claim with the newer, more accurate data. Using data from the International Geomagnetic Reference Field (IGRF) I show that from 1970-2000, the dipole part of the field steadily lost 235 ± 5 billion megajoules of energy [that’s lots] while the non-dipole part gained only 129 ± 8 billion megajoules. Over that 30-year period, the net loss of energy from all observable parts of the field was 1.41 ± 0.16 %. At that rate, the field would lose half it energy every 1465 ± 166 years. Combined with my 1990 theory explaining reversals of polarity [shifts of magnetic direction south pole to north pole and back again rapidly] during the Genesis Flood and intensity fluctuations after that, these new data support the creationist model: the field has rapidly and continuously lost energy ever since God created it about 6,000 years ago.’” Your Loud Mouth Will Only Take You So Far.

  60. Add soft tissue from bones (not fossils) rearing its head as the Norm so predicted by Armitage and by the preponderance of the evidence especially in view of the Unexplained Cambrian Explosion i.e. Darwin’s Doubt and the geologic sediment record showing, a flood as reported in the Smithsonian and the evidence is beginning to way outside Darwin’s Favor. Add the fact there is carbon in the bones and way too much helium in the rocks and your arguments are loosing traction. CQ 2/18/2019

  61. The Groucho Marx Defense against mathematical proofs defense.
    I’m ROFLMAO https://genuinearticlex7.com/2019/02/18/2025/

  62. @generallyfarcicalx7:

    “…rearing its head as the Norm” [sic]
    “…to way outside Darwin’s Favor” [sic]
    “…loosing [sic] traction”

    Yeah, because nothing speaks authority more than an obsessional creationist who happens to be also illiterate.

  63. “…rearing its head as the Norm.”
    Let’s not drag George Wendt into this.

  64. Michael Fugate

    Gax7,, you haven’t been paying attention to our recommendations – please obtain a copy of Arthur Strahler’s “Science and Earth History “ -a magnificent book that blows your every argument out of the water.

  65. Here you go example of the math of the Bible from sixth grade level word problems.

  66. Michael Fugate

    The Salem Region – look it up. Pleas read Strahler before ever commenting on evolution again.

  67. No evidence will convince you until you see the sign of Jesus and mourn. Sweet dreams. I do this to protect those who already believe from evidence muckers like you. This is a free country and I am free to say whatever I choose to say.

  68. Strahler, probably as convincing as Ehrman.

  69. Our latestt creacrapper keeps on lying, just as expected:

    “Add soft tissue from bones (not fossils)”
    Especially bones get fossilized, Mr. Stupid Ignorant Lying Creacrapper.

    “the evidence especially in view of the Unexplained Cambrian Explosion”
    All of which nicely confirms evolution theory – but of course if even IDiots can’t accept that explosions typically don’t last at least 20 million years (I’ve seen 50 million as well). But of all creacrapper you’re about the last one who should bring it up as an argument for your crap, because according to your Young Earth Creacrap that Cambrian Explosion never happened at all. Those 20 million years are quite some more than the 6000 years age you are supposed to defend.
    So much for GenX providing proof, evidence and logic.

    “I do this to protect those who already believe from evidence muckers like you.”
    Thanks for admitting that you’re totally wasting your time. You are the only creacrapper here, so you are basically protecting yourself.

    “This is a free country and I am free to say whatever I choose to say.”
    Where would a creacrapper like GenX remain with this favourite strawman to attack? Nobody prevents you from. Plus the USA being a free country not by any means obliges our dear SC to facilitate the horse turds you try to feed us.

  70. No they Mr. Abusive. You are on the road to discovering Jesus. There is no other road. Best to find him before you get to the Great White Throne Judgment. Cambrian explosion caused Darwin to question his theory. Since you are immoral and do not want to conform to common traditional decency you do not consider the evidence. My book Misquoting Calculus lays out specific results from math problems landing perfectly on the timeline of history and lay out the odds involved in the Lord’s prophets’ dead bang accuracy. The Lord God wins the Lottery persistently and repeatedly. In Isaiah 46: 8-13: “Remember this, keep it in mind,
    take it to heart, you rebels.
    9 Remember the former things, those of long ago;
    I am God, and there is no other;
    I am God, and there is none like me.
    10 I make known the end from the beginning,
    from ancient times, what is still to come.
    I say, ‘My purpose will stand,
    and I will do all that I please.’
    11 From the east I summon a bird of prey;
    from a far-off land, a man to fulfill my purpose.
    What I have said, that I will bring about;
    what I have planned, that I will do.
    12 Listen to me, you stubborn-hearted,
    you who are now far from my righteousness.
    13 I am bringing my righteousness near,
    it is not far away;
    and my salvation will not be delayed.
    I will grant salvation to Zion,
    my splendor to Israel.

    Rebels, that’d be you.

    In Daniel 12: 3, 4 God boasts: “Those who are wise[a] will shine like the brightness of the heavens, and those who lead many to righteousness, like the stars for ever and ever. 4 But you, Daniel, roll up and seal the words of the scroll until the time of the end. Many will go here and there to increase knowledge.”

    And the first word problem he boasts is in 12: 9-13: He replied, “Go your way, Daniel, because the words are rolled up and sealed until the time of the end. 10 Many will be purified, made spotless and refined, but the wicked will continue to be wicked. None of the wicked will understand, but those who are wise will understand.

    11 “From the time that the daily sacrifice is abolished and the abomination that causes desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days. 12 Blessed is the one who waits for and reaches the end of the 1,335 days.

    13 “As for you, go your way till the end. You will rest, and then at the end of the days you will rise to receive your allotted inheritance.”

    Jesus points to this in Matthew 24 and John in Revelation at 11: 1 receives from the angel: I was given a reed like a measuring rod and was told, “Go and measure the temple of God and the altar, with its worshipers. 2 But exclude the outer court; do not measure it, because it has been given to the Gentiles. They will trample on the holy city for 42 months.

    I get 688.5 A.D. in Daniel’s word problem (Indicated by Jesus) and I get 688.5 A.D. in John’s word problem both specifically taking about the “abomination of desolation “IT” appearing in the temple. Further, 1335 days land us in 732.9 A.D. That is the year of the Battle of Tours ending the first jihad destroying the caliphate army.

    Those of us who can see (John 3) are looking at the prophesy of Jesus i.e. the gospel has been preached in all the world, a Pope forming the prophesied “one world religion” “Mystery Babylon” with the alignments of Ezekiel 37 (one stick in the hand of the Lord … US/Israel) and 38, 39 the only mystery is will Gog arise from Russia or Turkey (?) and it is time you gain some real wisdom toward your eternity here in the “Time of the End”

    I boast in the Lord, my math and proofs, prophesied by the Lord are as solid a Newton’s in Physics. Chris Queen (BSME)

  71. I nootice that there is still no response to the quotaton from William Paley.

  72. “The math is here:”

    The math is almost – almost – as bad the writing.

    It’s like a Bible and 3rd grade math text book had a child, but the two didn’t know they were first cousins, and each of their parents didn’t know they were all first cousins, too. The result is a Hapsburgian mess of unknowable and uncountable genetic disorders, the Carlos II of blogs, if you will. More politely, it’s a butchering of simple math and the English language.

    If I had $3.25 that I hated, and also a few hours that were my sworn enemy, I’d consider buying the book and reading it.

  73. 1335 (Daniel’s Days to reach blessedness) + 732.9 (Battle of Tours) – 15 (Drew Brees’ jersey number at Purdue) – 7 (# of Tours de France wins Lance Armstong battled to retain, but failed) – 4 (length of Elton John’s “Daniel”) – 74 (comments on this thread before this one) + 42 (the answer) = 2009 THE SEASON THE NEW ORLEANS SAINTS WON THE SUPER BOWL.

    The Lord loves a well-named professional sports team, and some étouffée.

    It’s all right there, haters.

  74. Michael Fugate

    By picking and choosing based on a preconceived answer – you can always get that answer – it is amazing how easy it is. Read the back story for Jesus being the Messiah and how it all “fits”, cough, cough.

    Look at this sentence and who is behind it –
    “The math iS almost – AlmosT – as bAd the writiNg.”

  75. The math is correct and you need to wake up.

  76. Says a guy who uses an event that lasted at least 20 million years to argue for a theory of 6000 years …..

  77. Here’s one for gax7:https://www.theguardian.com/environment/shortcuts/2019/feb/20/virgin-births-something-fishy-mary-the-virgin-stickleback-little-miracles
    No wonder the loaves and fishes worked out!

    [*Voice from above*] That comment was from Michael Fugate.

  78. “The math is correct and you need to wake up.”

    ….sheeple. Conspiracy theorists and end-timers are required to end sentences like that with the word “sheeple.” It just helps everybody out.

  79. Sheep Dip? https://genuinearticlex7.com/2019/02/22/suppressing-the-evidence-of-the-gospel/
    More math! Accurate on the timeline of history. As specifically foretold. And we’re not finished yet.

  80. Creacrapper GenX7 keeps on bringing up pseudo-evidence against evolution theory he should reject himself. So of course – because all creacrappers have no choice but being utterly dishonest – he neglects what I wrote above.
    The Cambrian Explosion lasted at least 20 million years. That’s quite a bit longer than the 6000 years old Earth he promotes. So he accepts it as true or false just like it suits him.
    No wonder nobody wants to comment on his stupid blog.

  81. There is a recent article on the BBC site about the geology of Leonardo’s painting “The Virgin of the Rocks”. Leonardo came to the conclusion that the fossils in the mountians showed that the conventional history derived from the Bible was mistaken, and recorded his reasoning in the notebook known as the Codex Leicester. Here is the February 19 BBC story, “The Virgin of the Rocks: A subversive message hdden by Da Vinci”

  82. Frank B. Laughter. Whatever is holding you back from viewing mathematical proofs presented concisely in the blog post here realize I am presenting rational evidence that refutes your irrational religion devoid of any evidence whatsoever. I laugh the hardest at claims of mo billions and millions of years where your dating methods, relied on in your specious non evidenced claims (Poly Want A Crackered from others who’ve done no scientific investigation before you) produced inconsistent evidence showing Mount Saint Helens rock (I was there the following year) known for certain to be less than a decade old as millions of years old. Dogma in a religion such as yours [An amazing FAITH, and nothing more] has caused the passing over of soft tissue and complete cell structure as well florescent imaging indicating the protein consistent with DNA: Mary Schweitzer: ” Material consistent with DNA, was the quote by Mary Schweitzer in her 2013 paper. … .” But my work as I said as BSME is the math taken from the words on the page in the Old and New Testaments which correlate precisely on the timeline of known world history. Truth is like water. Somehow it will find a way. You ridiculing means nothing to me. The truth is what I care about. Chris Queen.

  83. Mark Germano But the Math is accurate and pinned to the actual timeline of history. Those of us who understand your religion is irrational make believe fairy tales see in the window of reality as told in advance the formulation of the one world religion of Revelation 17 down to the colors the woman who rides the beast is described by John as wearing. https://genuinearticlex7.com/2019/02/01/dogma-vs-reality/
    Further in our news is the formulation of Mystery Babylon the one world religion you’ll fall into at the false signs and wonders coming soon to a great delusion near you: https://genuinearticlex7.com/2019/02/19/mystery-babylon/ Add to this the current geopolitical and military alignment forming up between the nations listed in Ezekiel 38, 39, with Syria the pathway from the East with Gog and Magog (Turkey, Russia?) Persia definitely Iraq/Iran Oh here: Ezekiel 38: 1-23: “‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: I am against you, Gog, chief prince of[b] Meshek and Tubal. 4 I will turn you around, put hooks in your jaws and bring you out with your whole army—your horses, your horsemen fully armed, and a great horde with large and small shields, all of them brandishing their swords. 5 Persia, Cush[c] and Put will be with them, all with shields and helmets, 6 also Gomer with all its troops, and Beth Togarmah from the far north with all its troops—the many nations with you.

    7 “‘Get ready; be prepared, you and all the hordes gathered about you, and take command of them. 8 After many days you will be called to arms. In future years you will invade a land that has recovered from war, whose people were gathered from many nations to the mountains of Israel, which had long been desolate. They had been brought out from the nations, and now all of them live in safety. 9 You and all your troops and the many nations with you will go up, advancing like a storm; you will be like a cloud covering the land.

    10 “‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: On that day thoughts will come into your mind and you will devise an evil scheme. 11 You will say, “I will invade a land of unwalled villages; I will attack a peaceful and unsuspecting people—all of them living without walls and without gates and bars. 12 I will plunder and loot and turn my hand against the resettled ruins and the people gathered from the nations, rich in livestock and goods, living at the center of the land.[d]” 13 Sheba and Dedan and the merchants of Tarshish and all her villages[e] will say to you, “Have you come to plunder? Have you gathered your hordes to loot, to carry off silver and gold, to take away livestock and goods and to seize much plunder?”’

    14 “Therefore, son of man, prophesy and say to Gog: ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: In that day, when my people Israel are living in safety, will you not take notice of it? 15 You will come from your place in the far north, you and many nations with you, all of them riding on horses, a great horde, a mighty army. 16 You will advance against my people Israel like a cloud that covers the land. In days to come, Gog, I will bring you against my land, so that the nations may know me when I am proved holy through you before their eyes.

    17 “‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: You are the one I spoke of in former days by my servants the prophets of Israel. At that time they prophesied for years that I would bring you against them. 18 This is what will happen in that day: When Gog attacks the land of Israel, my hot anger will be aroused, declares the Sovereign Lord. 19 In my zeal and fiery wrath I declare that at that time there shall be a great earthquake in the land of Israel. 20 The fish in the sea, the birds in the sky, the beasts of the field, every creature that moves along the ground, and all the people on the face of the earth will tremble at my presence. The mountains will be overturned, the cliffs will crumble and every wall will fall to the ground. 21 I will summon a sword against Gog on all my mountains, declares the Sovereign Lord. Every man’s sword will be against his brother. 22 I will execute judgment on him with plague and bloodshed; I will pour down torrents of rain, hailstones and burning sulfur on him and on his troops and on the many nations with him. 23 And so I will show my greatness and my holiness, and I will make myself known in the sight of many nations. Then they will know that I am the Lord.’”

    You will remember I told you this in friendly warning. Matthew 11: 28-30.