Pi Day Free Fire Zone

Happy Pi Day

Happy Pi Day

Today is not only the birthday of Albert Einstein, who was born on 14 March 1879, but it’s also Pi Day — at least for those who express dates as Americans do — month first — so today is March 14, or 3-14.

It doesn’t work for those who express dates European style — day first. For them, there is never a Pi day, because 31-4 would be the 31st of April, a date which doesn’t exist. Also, there can’t be 3-14 European style, because there’s no 14th month.

Europeans aren’t the only ones left out of the festivities. There is never a pi day for creationists, because in their universe pi equals three — just plain old three, which isn’t a date. As you recall from this fine old post: Creationists And The Scriptural Value Of Pi, the bible describes a circular pond, ten cubits in diameter but only 30 cubits around.

So where does that leave us? It leaves right in the middle of another Intellectual Free Fire Zone. Aside from Pi Day, we’re open for the discussion of pretty much anything — science, politics, economics, whatever — as long as it’s tasteful and interesting. But beware of the profanity filters.

Okay, the comments are open. Have at it, dear reader.

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21 responses to “Pi Day Free Fire Zone

  1. Peter (Oz) Jones

    In my hemisphere we celebrate PI day on the 22nd July!

  2. I have a question which has bothered me for quite a while. If there was no death before Adam & Eve ate that cursed fruit, how would life on earth have progressed? After a few years the planet would have been covered with rabbits. Life in the oceans would also have been crowded after a fairly short time. Shouldn’t we be grateful to that talking snake?

  3. PI day is also my birthday. All the best.

  4. @hans435
    See the Latin expression “felix culpa” in Wikipedia.

  5. @Hans: before everything and everybody was kicked out of the Garden of Evil everyone, including rabbits, was infertile. Except plants, ‘cuz reasons. I can’t be bothered to look it up right now, but I seem to remember that according to some creacrappers plants are not living beings.
    I understand how hard it is to get a grip on creacrap, but always remember: coherence and consistency are unwelcome.

  6. @FrankB
    But Genesis 1:22 says that the just created animals of the water and of the air are to multiply. Aquatic animals often produce prodigious numbers of eggs. Especially invertebrates. And generation times of invertebrates are often short. Only a small fraction of the young survive.
    ISTM that the introduction of death must have occurred quite early. A few days.

  7. Eddie Janssen

    @Hans435
    Ken Ham has a perfect explanation:
    https://answersingenesis.org/bible-timeline/how-does-mans-history-fit-with-the-biblical-timeline/

    The Fall happened on day 10 after Creation Week.

  8. @TomS still thinks that contradictions matter: “Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.”
    But it doesn’t say that the seas and the fowl need to overpopulate the waters and the earth and the air. You are interpreting! So is the creacrapper, but that’s something entirely different.

  9. In the meantime I have breaking news from The Netherlands. Our very own YECers have identified a very serious, very grave problem!

    https://logos.nl/basisschoolactie/

    Dutch primary schools have a shortage of informative kiddiebooks that are faithful to the Bible! (Note: of course, many of them are secular – FrankB). This screams for a solution! Most of the kiddiebooks assume Darwinism (regulars can fill in the details themselves).These books confuse the kiddies! (The horror! – but don’t dispair, Logos.nl will save them and this stupid pun is totally intended). Logos.nl has thought up a plan! They offer two children’s books: What do we know of astronomy and What do we know of dinosauruses. They are for free! That means Dutch schools only have to pay 7,50 Euro for postage and package costs. And it doesn’t matter if the school is secular or religious!

    Still for some mysterious reason the only schools that have reacted are orthodox protestant ones
    Hmmm, for some other mysterious reason I’m suddenly longing for separation of school and religion.American style. I’ll comfort myself with the thought that The Netherlands don’t have institutes like Biola.

  10. @ Eddie Janssen – thanks.
    As always, Ken Ham has the answer. I don’t know where he gets it from. It’s certainly not in the Bible.
    I cannot imagine that the lonely pair of rabbits would have been condemned to a life without sex. That would have been a cruel, and not a ‘perfectly good’ creation.

  11. We are still reeling from the rightwing terrorist attack on our South Island. The death toll currently stands at 49. Hopefully it doesn’t create a backlash from the other extremist end.

  12. I was saddened to hear of the tragedy of New Zealand. Our thoughts are with you.

  13. A Google engineering team in Japan led by Emma Haruka Iwao recently calculated PI to 31 trillion digits using 25 virtual machines over a period of 121 days. They racked up 170 Tb of data.

    Going down Memory Lane, I remember seeing my first Gb disc drive array, about the size of a breadbox and being totally impressed. Later, I managed a group responsible for backup and recovery of 4 Tb of seismic data which I thought was all the numbers in the Universe. Now, I’ve got 7 Tb in the house and 3 Tb on the shelf behind me under my coffee cup. I tell you, Tb’s don’t get no respect these days.

  14. @Hans still doubts the benevolence of Ol’Hambo’s lord: “I cannot imagine that the lonely pair of rabbits would have …..”
    1. They were not lonely. Everybody were friends. The rabbit that needed a hug of course would get one from the lion.
    2. Either they didn’t have any sexual urge (because it’s too icky for the Garden of Eden) or Ol’Hambo’s lord would have provided magical, hence foolproof contraceptives. The Garden of Eden is situated in Oogity Boogity Land and there everything is possible! Except evilution, of course.

  15. Michael Fugate

    Not to mention God thought that any and every animal would be a potential mate for Adam – only through trial and error did God realize this wasn’t true.

  16. And the only thing that we know about the ancient past is what we get from the eyewitness account in the Bible.

    Of course, there is nothing in the Bible wich says that it is eyewitness account of the Primordial History (Genesis 1-11). Nor is there anything in the Bible which guarantees that what we have today is a faithful copy of the original accounts, for that we must rely on mere fallible human reasoning, such as the old tradition that says that Moses is mostly the author of the books Genesis thrugh Deuteronomy.

    As well as the interpretation of the YECs.

    For the greater part of 2000 years, no one thought that the Bible told us that the Earth is a planet of the Solar System, similar to Venus etc. Likewise, no one said anything about “kinds” marking a barrier to micro-evolution, or that Noah’s Flood was responsible for the burying of fossils.

  17. Michael – Every country has some idiots in their ranks of politicians, but how Fraser Anning can find a connection to “Muslim fanatics” is still a mystery to me. I wonder what Donald Trump thinks deep down. Probably along those lines.
    We are really lucky (and proud) for having a Prime Minister like Jacinda Ardern.

  18. In a country like Australia, New Zealand, or the United States, where the dominant majority are descendants of recent immigrants, it is “interesting” that there are anti-immigrant feelings among those descendants. I don’t know about Australia and New Zealand, but the History of the USA has been marked by the same-old anti-immigrant feelings repeated anew for the latest wave of new immigrants. The new kind of immigrants are imagined to be carrying disease, for example, and they are carriers of alien culture and religion, and are violent. A particularly “interesting” variation of this in the USA, where Hispanics are one of the “new” immigrants, while of course, the first modern immgraton into the present territory of the USA, before the celebrated English etc. were Hispanic. (Of course, most “Anglos” don’t know, nor care. I humbly suggest that one be careful in asking about what politicians “know” or “think”, where the appropriate verb is more like “feel”. They act on their shared feelings with their consituents.)

  19. Michael Fugate

    Speaking of white supremacy and especially creationist attempts to link it with evolution, one might be interested in Samuel George Morton 1799 – 1851 and his proteges Josiah Nott and George Gliddon who wrote a polygenist book “Types of Mankind” in 1854. These were highly educated men who made other scientific contributions.

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