Hambo Says Humans & Dinos Lived Together

Alley Oop

This is another brilliant post from Ken Ham (ol’ Hambo) — the ayatollah of Appalachia, the world’s holiest man who knows more about religion and science than everyone else. It’s at the website of Answers in Genesis (AIG), Hambo’s creationist ministry. The title is T. Rex Even Bigger Than Once Thought. Here are some excerpts, with bold font added by us for emphasis, and occasional Curmudgeonly interjections that look [like this]:

Scientists in Canada have announced their analysis of a 65% complete T. rex skeleton, painstakingly dug out of rock and analyzed over the past 29 years. Their estimates put this dinosaur at 28-years-old at death and a whopping 19,500 pounds. Now that’s a big dinosaur!

Then he quotes from an article in National Geographic which says:

T. rex is one of the best represented extinct dinosaurs, with more than 20 fossil individuals identified.

Hambo leaps upon that and tells us:

Now, many people have the impression we have many fossil representatives of each, or at least most, dinosaur species. But often that’s not the case. The clear majority of the fossil record is made up of sea creatures (understandably since the flood of Noah was a marine catastrophe), particularly corals and shellfish, and only a tiny fraction is vertebrates, of which an even tinier fraction is dinosaurs.

The relative scarcity of vertebrate fossils (if we ignore fish) has nothing to do with the Flood, but with time. They haven’t been around as long as sea creatures. Hambo knows that vertebrate fossils are relatively rare, but it doesn’t stop him and other creationists from demanding that we show them a perfect, generation-by-generation fossil record demonstrating the evolution of all life on Earth. Anyway, he finally gets around to the point of his post:

And that brings me to the question we’re frequently asked, “Why don’t we find dinosaurs and humans buried together?” [Hee hee!] Well, the first thing to recognize is how scanty the fossil record is when it comes to land creatures — there are only 20 incomplete fossil individuals of T. rex! Since marine creatures are more numerous than land-dwelling vertebrates and since the flood was a marine catastrophe, it makes sense that most of our fossils are of marine creatures, not dinosaurs or people.

See? Hambo has an excuse for the fossils he can’t produce — but you don’t. He continues:

Also, just because something wasn’t buried together doesn’t mean they didn’t live together. [Yeah!] There are many creatures in the wild today that humans rarely cross paths with, such as snow leopards or giant pandas. And, honestly, in a sin-cursed and broken world, who’s going to want to live near T. rex anyway? Just because humans and dinosaurs aren’t found buried in the same layers doesn’t mean humans didn’t once live at the same time.

Uh, Hambo, those geological layers extend beyond one’s local neighborhood. Never mind, he’s not listening to us. Instead, he adds another zinger to strengthen his argument:

And there are many creatures alive that live alongside man today, that are also found as fossils in the same layers as dinosaurs yet they’re not found with human fossils!

What’s he thinking about — crabs? Yeah, they’ve been around a long time, but they live in water and humans usually aren’t buried with them. So what? Their remains exist in the same geological time period.

Ah well, Hambo thinks he’s made his point, and he concludes by referring us to something his son-in-law wrote:

Bodie Hodge has written an excellent and more thorough response to this question in our New Answers Book 1 and you can read that chapter here [Okay, here it is].

That’s it, dear reader. Humans and dinosaurs lived at the same time — and the fossil record proves nothing. The lesson learned is this: Creationism is always right!

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25 responses to “Hambo Says Humans & Dinos Lived Together

  1. Holding The Line In Florida

    🐂💩to the maximum. Given that the entire world was flooded, and all the evil people, babies, children, plus the innocent T-Rexs and other Dinosaurs drowned together, why aren’t they fossilized together? Even Hambone can’t be that gullible. I suppose he really does think the Flintstones is a documentary.

  2. Problem solved: two posts, with one stone. Aliens really are just anthropologists from the future, come back to study how Creationists managed to effectively reverse-engineer the human digestive/excretion system, whereby the mouth became the orifice of elimination, and all communication was generated via the anus. Bodie Hodge was the “Sarah Connor” of their mission.

    The “aliens” are just us — the FrankB’s; Michael Fugate’s; Paul Braterman’s, et al. of the future, who better want to study the peculiar quirks of human evolution, and bizarre rituals of once-thriving, but now long-dead mystic cults.

  3. I , like sour Hammy, am looking forward with great anticipation, the first man and dinosaur, buried together , fossils that are to be found. Like the Pre Cambrian bunny rabbit, this fossil combination has been very elusive to those of us in the creasphere. However, we have “top men” working on it right now. Top men.
    Signed,
    Ayatollah Hammies sour Bone the Magnificent, Defender of the Faithful. The Blood of the prophet runs in me and I am but a servant of his will. Salam

  4. the flood was a marine catastrophe
    Not in the sense that it would be bad for marine life. No, it was land animals that had to get saving from the water.
    Noah didn’t worry about the trilobites and ichthyosaurs.

  5. Mark Germano

    Recently, Ham said that “Noah did not care for marine animals,” meaning marine animals would not have been on the ark.

    Why did so many perish and their remains become fossilized? It’s like he doesn’t remember even the last thing he wrote.

  6. I will be a believer, Hambo, when a legit paleontologist discovers a fossilized dino together with the bronze buckles of a dinosaur saddle.

    Until then, please stop polluting the minds of our children. What you are doing is no different from what all the moon-landing deniers, conspiracy theorists, etc., etc, are doing posting their craziness on YouTube just to make an advertising buck. The only difference is that you are using religion as a cover for your money-grubbing.

  7. > And there are many
    > creatures alive that live
    > alongside man today, that
    > are also found as fossils in
    > the same layers as
    > dinosaurs yet they’re not
    > found with human fossils!
    ——————–
    Golden Crocoduck Award nominee – the biggest lie of the year in pursuit of the creationist cause. Hamster doesn’t know anything about the fossil record. He doesn’t even know what a fossil actually is.

  8. Has anyone else noticed that there is an absolute scarcity of creationist paleontologists, let alone working in the field to discover pre-Cambrian rabbits or the fossilized remains of Noah’s family? It’s almost like they already know that there is nothing to be found.

  9. “(understandably since the flood of Noah was a marine catastrophe)”
    Huh? Then where did all those land creatures remain who supposedly died during the Great Flood?

    “And there are many creatures alive that live alongside man today, that are also found as fossils in the same layers as dinosaurs yet they’re not found with human fossils!”
    Except that those creatures aren’t the same, because – Gasp! – they have evolved.

    @TomS: “Not in the sense that it would be bad for marine life.”
    Nice catch. See MarkG. Still he misjudged Ol’Hambo:

    @MarkG: “It’s like he doesn’t remember even the last thing he wrote.”
    It’s rather like he expects his audience not to remember what he wrote in his previous sentence.

    @Zetopan: have you noticed that there is a an equal scarcity of creacrap geologists working for Shell, Esso and similar companies? It’s an outrage! Discrimination because of religion!
    That or discrimination because of inability to detect oil and gas fields.

  10. Ah Hammie, to paraphrase Haldane, there are so few vertebrate fossils, and living vertebrates, for that matter, because your favorite sky fairy is very fond of beetles.

  11. to ask the very obvious, why should the Flood have been so bad for shellfish? And why is that dinosaurs are always found in rocks with (as the creationists say) conventional dating >65 Mybp, whereas hominins are always found in rocks <5 Mybp?

    But argument is useless. The real question is, why do people want to believe this nonsense, and how do we set about seducing them into accepting reality? These are not rhetorical questions

  12. Paul B – I have mentioned this before, but believe that it all boils down to loss of salvation. Ham’s pitch is that if you don’t believe Genesis 1, how can you believe the Gospels? Young earth conservative Christians fear eternal damnation if they accept the ‘false wisdom’ of science. My friend Joe McInerney says that you can throw as much science at them as you want and nothing will stick. It’s about theology, and as you know, Ham hates BioLogos and their work because they are not “real Christians.” An important part of the seduction that you mention is to not treat those who might be willing to listen as idiots – I know that’s hard! There are various tactics for the seduction, one being that our observed reality of the earth and the universe makes their God a trickster. Another is to point out that they stratify their own interpretation of scripture, from outright rejection/ignoring to literal interpretation of the English translation.

  13. Michael Fugate

    Maybe the comeback line should be “where exactly in the Bible is that claim made?”

  14. @Paul B
    Get rid of evangelism. But in the US, that’s like trying to get rid of the guns. Guns and evangelism: that’s enough to wreck any country.

  15. @Douglas E
    theology
    Many of the fundamentalists don’t like theology. Too much thinking, maybe.
    @Michael Fugate
    One might as well as where in the Bible does it say that the Bible is supposed to be real literally, or where does it say that the Bible is infallible truth, and all the truth that one needs. Or why the King James Bible (as edited today, not the original KJV) is the Bible.
    But if one actually reads, for example, the first chapter of Genesis, one might notice that at the beginning of God’s creation of the heavens and the Earth, there was already a wind blowing over the water. No mention of where that came from. Or that there were three days and nights before the lights were placed in the firmament to distinguish day from night and to mark the passage of time.
    etc. etc. etc.

  16. TomS – sadly true. The typical evangelical congregation simply follows the preaching and teaching of the pastor, many of whom have not gone to college and have taken only courses from fundamentalist institutions.

  17. Michael Fugate

    Did Jesus have a doctorate in theology? Did the apostles? The holy spirit will judge whether or not one is qualified to preach not some college.

  18. @Douglas E, agreed on all counts, but that merely pushes back the problem one stage. As I understand it, Ham’s theology is as bankrupt as his science He says that we inherit Original Sin, in the same sense that we might inherit dry rot in the family mansion, but that Jesus has paid the penalty for us in the same way that an indulgent relative might pay our parking ticket. Of course the entire transaction depends on our acknowledging the sin which for Ham means acknowledging the eating of the forbidden fruit as a historical fact.

    I would argue that this simply does not do justice to the complexity of morality, or to the textual richness of the Bible, and would point also to the massive support for evolution science among educated Christians.

    Is that going to get me anywhere? Or is that yet another trap, where Ham can present himself as a populist presenting the plain meaning, whereas Biologos is just so many pointy-headed elitists using complicated arguments to deny it?

  19. Thre is this essay about the 18th century theory of “Preformation” – the denial of reproduction in favor of the idea that the individual living thing, before its appearance, pre-existed in the body of its ancestors (perhaps back to the days of Creation).
    Several of the same arguments which are used today were used in the 18th century.
    For example, Original Sin.
    The analogy of the Clock-Maker.
    Irreducible Complexity.
    https://web.archive.org/web/20170429075443/http://www.talkreason.org/articles/chickegg.cfm

  20. Michael Fugate

    One could imagine modern creationists view DNA as “preformed”.

  21. @Michael Fugate; “a group of misguided researchers who denounce the idea that birds are living dinosaurs [and] insist that birds sprang from a different ancestor, one more closely allied with crocodiles than dinosaurs.”

    Actually, none of this really helps the creationists. Eccentrically, it places the avian-other dinosaur split before, rather than after, the crocodilia-dinosaur split, but that is just a variant of the evolutionary narrative.

  22. ISTM that the thing about dinosaurs is about:
    The general impression that every extinct big and scary air-breathing verebrate, other than obvious mammals (mammoths, saber-tooth cats etc.) is a dinosaur. The famous Dimetrodon, the sail-backed creature, is often presented as an example of a dinosaur, but it is mre closely related to mammals, and lived quite a bit earlier than any true dinosaurs. And not all dinosaurs were huge and scary.
    It has been popular among fundamentalists to identify the Biblical Behemoth as a dinosaur.
    And I think that the idea of dinosaurs having feathers makes them less scary.
    The only contribution to dinosaur controversies that I can think of from “Calvin and Hobbes” is from December 3, 1993,
    https://www.gocomics.com/calvinandhobbes/1993/12/03
    IMHO, Calvin would agree that feathered dinosaurs were bogus.

  23. @Tom S: creationwiki shows a dimetrodon as “a primitive reptile”, typifying the Permian: http://creationwiki.org/File:Geo_time.JPG

  24. Michael Fugate

    It does enable Comfort’s crocoduck. Which seems more ludicrous as a transition than a feathered dinosaur. Not to mention it is pretty much merit less.