Hambo Says Fossil Find Is Proof of the Flood

The news has been all over the place. Here’s an article from PhysOrg: 66-million-year-old deathbed linked to dinosaur-killing meteor. You can read that to get the rational, scientific view of things.

And now, dear reader, guess who’s claiming that this discovery is evidence of creationism. Right, it’s Ken Ham (ol’ Hambo) — the ayatollah of Appalachia, the world’s holiest man who knows more about religion and science than everyone else. . He just posted this at he website of Answers in Genesis (AIG), his creationist ministry: First Victims of Dino-Killer Asteroid Found Buried? Here are some excerpts, with bold font added by us for emphasis, and occasional Curmudgeonly interjections that look [like this]:

The news has been buzzing recently with headlines such as this one from New Scientist, “Incredible fossil find may be first victims of dino-killer asteroid.” These headlines are announcing the discovery and analysis of a fossil deposit in America that is interpreted as “an unprecedented record of the mass extinction event that wiped out most of the dinosaurs 66 million years ago.”

You know Hambo becomes enraged at stories like that. He says:

The article about this North Dakota find goes on to state, “The fossils appear to be animals that were killed within minutes of an asteroid striking Earth, in a flood triggered by the shattering impact.” The asteroid impact mentioned is, of course, the impact at the Chicxulub crater on the Yucatán Peninsula in Mexico, thousands of miles from North Dakota. Many (though not all) scientists believe this event led to the extinction of the dinosaurs.

Hambo thinks that’s ridiculous. He tells us:

Such an impact would’ve caused earthquakes and flooding, and this site, in the evolutionary interpretation, appears to preserve part of that catastrophe, as a flash flood of fossils and tiny pieces of natural glass (called tektites) formed from meteorite impacts are also found. Now, how should we understand this event in a biblical worldview?

Good question! And when Hambo says “how should we understand,” he means his fellow creationists. Here’s how they should understand it:

First, it’s important to understand that everyone interprets the evidence through a worldview. [Sane or crazy.] Scientists gather the data and then interpret that information regarding the past in light of their worldview. The scientists behind the paper interpret this find within the framework of millions of years of evolution and the asteroid catastrophe.

Those scientists are hell-bound fools! Hambo tells us the right way to understand the evidence:

Creation scientists [Hee hee!] look at the same evidence and interpret it a different way. The Chicxulub crater was formed when an asteroid impacted the earth during the global flood of Noah’s day, just 4,350 years ago. [Right!] It didn’t lead to the demise of the dinosaurs. [It didn’t?] (Two of each land animal kinds, seven pairs of some, including those kinds called dinosaurs, were safe on the ark, but those outside the massive ship were drowned and buried by floodwaters.) The asteroid did, however, contribute to the violent reshaping of the earth’s surface (2 Peter 3:6).

Brilliant! Let’s read on:

Now, the secular scientists observing this fossil formation in North Dakota are recognizing elements of catastrophe and rapid burial (e.g., freshwater and marine creatures buried together, fossils extending through more than one rock layer [known as polystrate fossils], fish aligned vertically, etc.). But these same features are found in other fossil beds around the world. [But not associated with the K-T boundary. See Cretaceous–Paleogene boundary.] And yet these same scientists refuse to recognize there was a global catastrophe that buried fossils rapidly and catastrophically all around the world. The problem isn’t the evidence — the rocks literally cry out with evidence of a watery global catastrophe. The real problem is their hardened hearts that don’t want to bow in submission to the truth of God’s Word and the gospel of Jesus Christ.

Amazing. The next several paragraphs are about the views of Andrew Snelling, Hambo’s creationist geologist. We’re skipping it, but you can click over to AIG and read that stuff if you like. Hambo wraps up his post by saying things like this:

There was a real global judgment on sin during the time of Noah. And there’s a real coming judgment on sin when Christ returns. The history in the Bible is true; therefore we can trust that its warnings of future judgment are also true.

So there you are, dear reader. Pay no attention to those hell-bound secular scientists. Place your trust in Hambo, and you will know The Truth.

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30 responses to “Hambo Says Fossil Find Is Proof of the Flood

  1. But I bet there’s STILL no people or other familiar mammals buried there with the Dinos…..

    And no Ken, they don’t ” interpret that information regarding the past in light of their worldview”. That’s what creationists do. Scientists follow the evidence to their conclusions.

  2. Every time fundies open their mouths they sound stupider and stupider…and they just can’t see how stupid they are.

  3. Eric Lipps

    Now, the secular scientists observing this fossil formation in North Dakota are recognizing elements of catastrophe and rapid burial (e.g., freshwater and marine creatures buried together, fossils extending through more than one rock layer [known as polystrate fossils], fish aligned vertically, etc.). But these same features are found in other fossil beds around the world. And yet these same scientists refuse to recognize there was a global catastrophe that buried fossils rapidly and catastrophically all around the world. The problem isn’t the evidence — the rocks literally cry out with evidence of a watery global catastrophe. The real problem is their hardened hearts that don’t want to bow in submission to the truth of God’s Word and the gospel of Jesus Christ.

    The rocks literally cry out? For crying out loud!

    I note that creationists, learning that there’s evidence of catastrophes which buried fossils rapidly all around the world, insist that all of these events took place simultaneously–and never mind that the evidence says otherwise, and that according to them this global apocalypse occurred recently enough to have drowned the Great Pyramid (and utterly destroyed it) along with the lesser Giza pyramids.

    Of course scientists don’t want to “bow in submission” to the “truth” of the Bible if that means accepting obvious nonsense. All this bowing and submitting is more in line with totalitarian regimes which insist on rigid ideological conformity. If creationists had their way, America would become a fundamentalist Christian version of Iran.

  4. Pathetic, even by Ham’s abysmally low standards. I’ll let someone else shoot the “polystrate” sucker down (my spellchecker questions the word itself, which might say something about its synthetic origins, though I’m reluctantly forced to acknowledge “polystrate’s” intended import for creationist propaganda).

    No, the giveaway comes when Ham — after all that faux reasoning — retreats to preferred default ‘vangie mode about “hardened hearts” that refuse to “bow in submission” yawn yawn yawn; and ends with his patented guff about end times.

    That sweaty, desperate odour (no: not a typo) Ham gives off in posts like these is repellent, but strangely satisfying. Would that it merely signals the end times for Ham and his clone army.

  5. Mark Germano

    “The Chicxulub crater was formed when an asteroid impacted the earth during the global flood of Noah’s day, just 4,350 years ago.”

    Here, Ham breaks the rules of ten-year-old-boy ridiculous storytelling by jumping right to “Global Flood with 7-mile wide asteroid,” skipping over “snake volcano,” “hurricane of lava,” and “feces tsunami.” The only card he really has left to play is “sharknado.”

    And, yes, I’ve already started screenplays for both “Snake-cano” and “Poo-nami.”

  6. Michael Fugate

    Too much sin can lead to all manner of “natural” disasters – when it is really a pissed off god – and don’t you ever forget it. The answer is without a doubt more burnt flesh so fire up the grill.

  7. Charles Deetz ;)

    Filling in the Bible with chapters of Hambo conjured facts and history. Pathetic. Its not just a world-view, it is horrible made up stories.

  8. Sour Hammy says “Scientists gather the data and then interpret that information regarding the past in light of their worldview.”
    Actually, scientists evaluate data in light of the facts. ALL of which are inconsistent with your silly attacks on the scientific method and the sciences of geology, geophysics, paleontology etc etc etc

  9. And then there are the tektikes, glass globules.
    They are obviously from the breaking of the Firmament, which allowed the massive amount of water which was held back by the Firmament to flood the Earth.
    BTW, how did the fish and other water creatures drown? And if they we’re subject to drowning, why weren’t there provisions for them on the Ark?

  10. I love it when creationists break their own rules in light of overwhelming evidence. How do they know about an Ice Age? The Bible doesn’t mention one. Nobody was there. Obviously, there is so much evidence that they need to suspend their rejection of ‘historical science’. The same thing is happening now with an “asteroid impacted the earth during the global flood of Noah’s day, just 4,350 years ago”.
    Needless to say, ‘historical science’ is only allowed when it supports a young earth.

  11. Dave Luckett

    The Chicxulub crater isn’t a crater. It can’t be observed on the surface. It consists of subterranean rings of shocked quartz and a basin, filled with marine sediments, now partly exposed above the water, and surrounded by tectite sprays reaching a couple of hundred kilometers out from the centre. The crater walls are now flattened completely. It is blank impossible that so large a feature could be eroded to level in five thousand years, flood or no flood. The sediments that have filled it in are stratified, but not sorted hydrogolically, meaning that no one event brought them. The only explanation for the feature as it now stands is deep time, erosion and successive deposition over tens of millions of years.

    Measurements of the Mississippi River delta demonstrate that the river has been bringing soil from the Dakotas to the Gulf of Mexico for nine million years for this delta alone – and there are three others that can be discerned, earlier mouths of the river. The “White Cliffs of Dover” consist of marine chalk and limestone that can only be formed in sea basins, consisting of countless trillions of shells, only the top layers of which can be distinguished as those lower down were crushed under the weight of the ones above. There are millions of times the number of these shells that can exist in the ocean at any one time, so we are looking at the depositions of millions of years, followed by millions more as the strata were uplifted. All over the earth evidence like this convinced the early geologists that the earth must be very ancient. As their knowledge increased, so did their estimate of the time it took. They were often convinced and faithful Christians, but they were observers and rational people. They had no choice but to accept the evidence of their senses.

    Not Ham. The evidence of an ancient earth is everywhere, and unimpeachable. You’d call it undeniable, but Ham denies it. To deny it, the shifts he is driven to are transparent nonsense. “Worldview”, yet! Weight and volume, deposition rates and upthrust, sedimentation and erosion, tectonic movement and faulting – these are not worldviews, they are facts, measurements, observations. It is difficult to believe that Ham’s manifest bafflegab has any traction at all – but it does. All it requires is prejudice and ignorance in equal parts, plus a smug certainty of non-existent competence. If God knows anything at all, He knows that those qualities are easily found among humans. Alas, Ken Ham knows that, too.

  12. TomS, the question is more how any aquatic creatures could have survived outside the Ark.

    You see, the tale they’ve spun of the Flood is that it was not just heavy rains, but volcanoes erupting all over the place, earthquakes and now, for the first time I’ve ever heard of it, a gigantic meteor impact to top it off. Since the whole planet was covered in water, they figure, there were no high mountain ranges before the Flood; the Himalayas, the Alps, the Grand Canyon and so on were all erected during that one year.

    That water, then, must have been utterly hostile to any form of life higher than algae or plankton. Fish, molluscs and so on can only survive until a certain level of pressure and salinity and, at the lowest level, need sunlight. Nearer the surface, the water must have been a mælstrøm of sand, rock and magma; deeper down, a labyrinth of high-pressure undercurrents. And overall utterly dark.

    Even if any life forms survived that, there would have been nothing to eat for the survivors disboarding the Ark.

  13. “First, it’s important to understand that everyone interprets the evidence through a worldview.”
    First, it’s important to realize that Ol’Hambo is a post-modernist. To quote Wikipedia: knowledge claims are “products of particular political, historical, or cultural discourses and hierarchies”. It’s obvious which poltical, historical, cultural discousrse and hierarchie Ol’Hambo prefers.

    “the secular scientists are recognizing elements of catastrophe and rapid burial.”
    Second, actually those secular scientists are recognizing elements of catastroph and are expecting rapid burial during at least five major mass extinctions. English Wikipedia commemorizes the Great Oxygenation Event as the first one. Obviously it doesn’t fit Ol’Hambo’s narrative (to keep on using post-modern speech), so he simply omits it.

    “the rocks literally cry out with evidence of a watery global catastrophe. ”
    Third, leave it to Ol’Hambo to jump from “giant waves in the waters of an inland sea” to “Global Flood caused by permanent rains” without any further do.

    Fourth, we regulars here are happy that Ol’Hambo hasn’t failed our high expectations, when we learned about this fossil. On the contrary! His reaction is creacrappier than always.

  14. @Draken
    So, the Flood was devastating not only for the air-breathing vertebrates, but also for many aquatic animals. Why was there no concern about them? Why not take on the Ark pairs of the lamprey kind, the shark kind, the tuna kind? Not to mention the Leviathan kind.

  15. @Kosh tries to contradict Ol’Hambo – in vain: “Scientists follow the evidence to their conclusions.”
    This is exactly the worldview all creacrappers (including the IDiots from Seattle) keep on whining about. I refer to the intro of the famous Wedge Document.

    @EricL gets it though: “never mind that the evidence says otherwise”.
    Of course! See radiometry. ‘Cuz theology is the Queen of the Sciences. Senses are not reliable, so you should put your faith in Logos instead – as explained by the creacrapper of the day.

    “in line with totalitarian regimes”
    Like I wrote: Ol’Hambo is a post-modernist. You identified the hierarchy that determine his conclusions. You can guess one time who’s on top of that hierarchy (immediately after YHWH, his Son and the Holy Spook).

  16. @ChrisS judges harshly: “Pathetic, even by Ham’s abysmally low standards.”
    What do you think, has Ol’Hambo surpassed (perhaps more accurate underpassed) Klinkleclapper once again?

    “Would that it merely signals the end times for Ham and his clone army.”
    I’m sorry to remind you that the cesspool Ol’Hambo and all other creacrappers have dived into is bottomless.

    @Mark G inspires the Motor City Madman:

    Wang dani sweet Poo-nami
    Wang dani sweet Poo-nami

    That Ol’Ken, what a teenage king
    He lookin’ so clen, especially down in betwing
    What I like
    He come to blog, he be foolin’ around
    A-puttin’ me down as a creationist clown
    It’s allright

    Wang dani sweet Poo-nami
    Wang dani sweet Poo-nami

    @Hans hasn’t fully grasped creacrap yet: “I love it when creationists break their own rules in light of overwhelming evidence.”
    Consistency and coherence aren’t creacrap rules.

  17. @Dave Luckett
    The realization that there was something amiss with the Young Earth scenario goes back some 500 years, to Leonardo Da Vinci.
    Who BTW is famous for art of Christian themes.

  18. @FrankB
    On YEC rules:
    But I thought that there was a rule about consistency and coherence.
    “Eschew consistency and coherence.”
    It sure works in politics.

  19. @Dave L and Draken
    Great word painting. Evocative and pleasurable to read.
    @TomS
    “Eschew consistency and coherence.”
    That’s their philosophy of life, isn’t it? If the eschew fits: wear it.

  20. The gawd hambone believes in is dimwitted weak gawd! He had to destroy not only humans but all animals (who are innocent) in a pissy-fit by a flood! A real gawd would have just thought “all humans but these six…DIE!” and it would have been a lot less work! Of course it is more likely that the hambone is dimwitted enough to believe in a fairy-tale! Which is more likely?

  21. Michael Fugate

    Given that everything and anything is evidence of Genesis as interpreted by Ham, then how could any dinosaur fossil not “literally cry out” in support of the Flood.

  22. Brian Axsmith

    If their flood myth was true the entire fossil record would look like this deposit. And why does it only contain Cretaceous organisms?

  23. @L.Long
    A real gawd would have just thought “all humans but these six..DIE!” and it would have been a lot less work!

    Whoever wrote the story of the Flood described a god very much like the gods of Ancient Near Eastern cultures. Constrained to act within the ways that nature allows, as understood in the ANE.

    Just as the 21st century Intelligent Designer resorts to “design”, somewhat like maybe the savants of the Bauhaus (or even 18th century artisans!), rather than just thinking, “let there be sight in vertebrates, insects, and molluscs.” (No need to take account of the laws of optics as we understand them today.)

  24. If their flood myth was true the entire fossil record would look like this deposit. And why does it only contain Cretaceous organisms?

    Silly using logic with a creationist when their sole goal in life is to twist everything about them in order to make others conform to their sick world view.

  25. “[creationists] just can’t see how stupid they are”

    See Dunning-Kruger:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect

  26. Michael Fugate

    It is interesting to see that those believing in intelligent design are limited to using humans as their model for an intelligence. In Genesis 2, the designer takes some clay and shapes it into a human form then animates it with words (look up golem). In Paley’s time, the designer is a mechanical craftsperson like a watchmaker. A bit later a la Frankenstein, the designer is a physician using electricity. Today, it would be a molecular biologist…

    God is apparently a human or damn close just a bit smarter than those advocating for intelligent necessity – as if those proponents had very impoverished imaginations.

  27. @Michael Fugate

    Right!

    But, what else are they going to do?

    You don’t expect them to do some work on coming up with an alternative to scientific explanations, do you? A coherent descrption, maybe?

  28. @TomS: mmmmmhhhh, …., no, I don’t think so. “Work”, “alternative”, “scientific”, “coherent” – way too many obstacles.

  29. ashley haworth-roberts

    Noah’s ark survives intact after 6 mile wide asteroid slams into what is now Mexico? Not in my Bible. And not plausible either. Answers in Genesis succeed in making the Bible harder to believe (except that they add to – or twist or sometimes ignore – what actually is in Genesis and other books of the Bible they have a particular interest in). They are not just extreme bigots – they are idiots and frauds.

  30. @ah-r
    Adding to or subtracting from
    Deuteronomy 4:2
    Revelation 22:18-19