Volcanoes or the Flood? Hambo Knows!

A recent article at PhysOrg reports on some research that is certain to upset creationists. Their headline is New evidence suggests volcanoes caused biggest mass extinction ever. Here are some excerpts, with bold font added by us for emphasis:

Researchers say mercury buried in ancient rock provides the strongest evidence yet that volcanoes caused the biggest mass extinction in the history of the Earth. The extinction 252 million years ago was so dramatic and widespread that scientists call it “the Great Dying.” The catastrophe killed off more than 95 percent of life on Earth over the course of hundreds of thousands of years.

Paleontologists with the University of Cincinnati and the China University of Geosciences said they found a spike in mercury in the geologic record at nearly a dozen sites around the world, which provides persuasive evidence that volcanic eruptions were to blame for this global cataclysm. The study was published this month in the journal Nature Communications.

Here’s the paper they’re talking about: Evidence for a prolonged Permian–Triassic extinction interval from global marine mercury records. You can read it online without a subscription.

That sort of thing really upsets Ken Ham (ol’ Hambo) — the ayatollah of Appalachia, the world’s holiest man who knows more about religion and science than everyone else. He just posted this at the website of Answers in Genesis (AIG), his creationist ministry: Did Volcanoes Cause the Biggest Mass Extinction Ever? Here are some excerpts, with bold font added by us for emphasis, and occasional Curmudgeonly interjections that look [like this]:

The fossil record is full of (mostly marine) creatures that are now extinct. In an attempt to explain all this biodiversity that has since vanished, evolutionary scientists [the hell-bound fools!] propose a series of mass extinctions caused by various catastrophes, though they frequently disagree on what those catastrophes were. One supposed extinction event, “the Great Dying,” is the subject of new research that claims volcanoes were responsible for wiping out 95% of life on earth.

Outrageous! There’s nothing like that in the bible. Hambo says:

Now, it’s interesting that secular scientists [Godless idiots!] are willing to accept global catastrophes — as long as it’s not THE global catastrophe: the flood of Noah’s day, as recorded in the Bible! And yet the evidence around the world clearly points to a watery catastrophe! Billions of creatures have been buried in sediments, laid down by water, all over the world. That’s clear evidence for a global flood and yet evolutionary scientists refuse to even consider it because it would wash away the millions of years needed for biological evolution.

Hambo is furious, and rightly so! He tells us:

Yes, there is tremendous evidence for massive volcanism in the past. And this activity was caused by the breaking open of the fountains of the great deep during the global flood (Genesis 7:11).

That explains it! He continues:

You see, the battle between creation and evolution isn’t over the evidence. We can observe that many of the creatures of the past are now extinct. We can see layers of volcanic ash in the rock record. These are observable facts. But how you interpret these facts in relation to the past depends on your starting point of thinking.

Well, what’s the correct starting point? Let’s read on:

Evolutionists start with millions of years of earth’s history, and so they interpret everything through that lens. Creationists start with God’s Word and the history in Genesis, and we interpret the evidence through that lens.

Here’s his powerful conclusion:

We interpret the fossil record as largely a record of the global flood catastrophe as creatures were successively buried as the floodwaters rose and raged about 4,300 years ago. The fossils don’t point to many huge mass extinctions — they point to one judgment by God on the wickedness of man.

So there you are, dear reader. It all depends on your starting point. Fortunately for Hambo, his starting point is the right one. It has all the conclusions built in, so the answers are obvious — and easy. Why don’t you follow his example?

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17 responses to “Volcanoes or the Flood? Hambo Knows!

  1. The fossil record is full of (mostly marine) creatures that are now extinct.
    Yeah. These mostly marine creatures drowned in Noah’s Flood.

  2. And I agree with this: You see, the battle between creation and evolution isn’t over the evidence.
    It is between a well-described, productive scientific theory, and nothing.

  3. Dave Luckett

    Ham is, as usual, adding to scripture. There is some suggestion that the ancient Hebrews knew that vulcanism was possible – the “pillar of fire” that went before them in the Exodus, the “rain of fire” that is said to have destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah – but there is no reference to volcanoes associated with the Flood myth. The flood was water. The fountains of the deep were of water, not fire. God says specifically at Gen 9:11 that the earth was destroyed by a flood.

    The scientific paper referred to was a piece of evidence supporting the “Siberian traps” explanation for the well-documented Permian extinction – the culprit was vulcanism over an entire continent, not a flood. To get from one to the other requires Ham to make it up as he goes – which of course he does.

    I have said this before, but quite apart from the scriptural injunction not to add to its words, if Ham thinks the Bible is the Word of God and he adds to it, he is asserting that he is God. I’m not entirely sure that in his heart of hearts, Ham doesn’t think that.

  4. “… volcanoes caused the biggest mass extinction in the history of the Earth. The extinction 252 million years ago was so dramatic and widespread that scientists call it ‘the Great Dying.’ The catastrophe killed off more than 95 percent of life on Earth over the course of hundreds of thousands of years.

    Paleontologists with the University of Cincinnati and the China University of Geosciences said they found a spike in mercury in the geologic record at nearly a dozen sites around the world, which provides persuasive evidence that volcanic eruptions were to blame for this global cataclysm. “

    Wait a minute. What they found was evidence that there was massive volcanic activity 252 million years ago. Logically, it can’t be said that it was the volcanoes that caused the Permian Extinction. the eruptions may have been coincidental with another event that actually did most of the killing — say, an asteroid impact. In fact, it may well have been a cosmic impact that triggered the volcanic eruptions in the first place.

    The basalt lava flows forming the Siberian Steppes are flood basalts, similar to the lava flows forming the Deccan Traps of India and the Columbian Plateau in the US Pacific Northwest. We know now that the Deccan Traps were antipodal to the Chixulub impact of 65 million years ago at the end of the Cretaceous when the dinosaurs et al. became extinct, and that there is much crustal fracturing evident on the moon and Mercury antipodal to large impact basins. Similar fracturing in Earth’s crust would result in great upwellings of basalt lava from the mantle.

    It would take something very big happening on Earth to cause the massive volcanic activity that formed the Siberian Steppes — something like an asteroid impact.

    What Ham thinks or says regarding science is inconsequential. The man is proud of his science illiteracy. The bigger story is what caused the massive volcanic activity 252 million years ago. My money is on the asteroid. It’s an important question; in fact, it’s existential. There’s not much we can do to prevent volcanic eruptions, but there may be something we can do to prevent in incoming asteroid or comet from hitting Earth. However, we would need to be prepared ahead of time.

  5. …there may be something we can do to prevent in incoming asteroid of comet from hitting Earth.

    Arrrgh! Please make that “asteroid or comet”. Thank you, oh Mighty Hand!

    [*Voice from above*] Behold, it is done!

  6. Ol’Hambo is lying: “as long as it’s not THE global catastrophe”
    Scientists are perfectly willing to accept global floods as soon as he tells us where all the water came from and went after the event.

    “because it would wash away the millions of years needed for biological evolution.”
    BWAHAHAHAHA! No, Ol’Hambo, a global flood would not disprove some billions of years nor would it prove a god.

    “the fountains of the great deep”
    Yeah and Ol’Hambo and his crew are so busy to find those fountains back.
    Not.
    Or he rejects the Law of Mass/Energy Conservation as well.

    “the battle between creation and evolution isn’t over the evidence.”
    Of course not. No evidence in the entire world would cure Ol’Hambo from his creacrap.

  7. One wonders where Noah got that huge number of tons of mercury to poison 95% of the life on earth? It would also seem that Noah and his family in the big box would not come remotely close to representing 5% of the life on earth. And then there is that difference of nearly 5 orders of magnitude about the dates of this extinction event.

    Since evidence isn’t required for creationist support, and it’s simply ignored when it contradicts creationist claims (which is always), why does the grand HAMster spend so much time trying to insist that the evidence supports his fables? It’s a shame that he doesn’t even try to make his arguments in peer reviewed scientific publications, just like none of the other creationists as well. Like *all* creationist arguments, their intended audience is composed *entirely* of scientific illiterates. Even the creationists with actual science degrees are totally unable to formulate actual scientific arguments.

  8. Eddie Janssen

    There is an excellent book on the Permian Extinction by Douglas Erwin (Extinction How Life on Earth Nearly Ended 250 Million Years Ago). Two things are especially noticable:
    the extinction went in two waves. One around 258 million years ago and the other at 251 million years ago.
    Second. a theory not only has to explain why and how some species went extinct but also why others were not affected.

    As Ken Ham has to minimize the number of species on the Ark (kinds, and what have you not) to make the story somewhat believable, one wonders where all the qazillions of extinct species came from.

  9. The Ark story has nothing to do with the handful of mass extinctions, or the ongoing lesser extinctions. The story is one of survival. Its interest is in the non-marine life. The Bible as a whole has very little interest in marine life. There is no named kind of marine life, other than the mythical Leviathan. For example, when it comes to the distinction between clean and unclear, there is extended discussion of what land animals and flying animals meet the criteria of being clean; while for marine animals, “fins and scales” suffices.
    Bible readers up until the tie of modern science had not considerd the possibility of extinctions.
    Compared with fish, there is more interest in pants in the Bible, but little concern about rescuing them from the Flood. And, of course, there is nothing about microbes, or about anything which would not be known in an culture of the Ancient Near East.
    The Bible has notihing to say about fossils, either. Or Ice Ages. Or the Grand Canyon. Or the Ark as a boat. Or Mount Ararat (the mountain did not have that name until post-Biblical times).
    Beyond the idea of a big flood and saving non-marine animals, the whole naturalist picture of the Arkeologists is the product of modern imaginations.

  10. Ham posts more extremism. I was just thinking about him the other day. I’m wondering what kind of dysfunctional bizarre childhood and youth he lived through that cause him to be so ill. To be so opposed to knowledge and logic and science.
    Perhaps his parents were sadistic geoscientists who sent him to bed one time too many without dinner??? Why preach fraud when even the slightest bit of introspection would reveal that ones claims and attempts to fit a geologic record worldwide with ones religious 2000 year old text simply doesn’t work scientifically. This is a lot like Hannity’s TV shows but with more props. The ark will likely mysteriously burn down as the visitor count goes down. Repeat visits to his ark park by the American public won’t be common. When will the wackadoodle hotel open up nearby.
    I think people like him are afraid of offending their “father figure” (who must have beat them) that they concoct a crazy world to protect themselves from beatings. Bet they all nuts in school too.
    One wonders, if state controlled RT Russian news likes Hannitys broadcasts so much they show them in Russia why they wouldn’t be giving donations to Hammy also.

  11. It is one thing to try to fit the facts of the world to a particular text. It is mistaken, yes, but one can understand the motivation. It invoves a distortion of the facts of the world. It is a compounding to distort the text, to “add thereto [and/or] dminish from it”

  12. Ashley Haworth-roberts

    Ahristians and sceptics alike – are your brains dirty? Someone is offering to wash them for you:
    https://answersingenesis.org/apologetics/did-volcanoes-cause-the-biggest-mass-extinction-ever/
    ”Yes, there is tremendous evidence for massive volcanism in the past. And this activity was caused by the breaking open of the fountains of the great deep during the global flood (Genesis 7:11).”

    It’s a good job we’ve got Ken Ham to inform us all what Genesis 7:11 REALLY means and what Noah’s Flood was REALLY like. And there was I thinking that the verse – like the rest of the chapter – was simply all about loads and loads of water coming catastrophically from below and from above (the latter as 40 days of very widespread and possibly planet-wide continuous rain).

    And Mr Ham’s science is remarkable too. The existence of billions of (dead and often now extinct) creatures ”clearly points to a watery catastrophe”. Yes, young earth creationists make science a doddle – even that ‘historical’ science they express so many reservations over. Who is better at explaining evidence from the past than a young earth creationist presuppositional apologist? And how could all those other supposed experts have missed the blindingly obvious? We Christians must thank Ken Ham for his expertise and for his unbending commitment to that interpretative lens of ‘the history in Genesis’ (and for his unending willingness to share online his insights – even on a holiday weekend).

    Those fossils – largely explainable via a ‘global’ flood less than 5,000 years ago – ”don’t point to many huge mass extinctions”. Indeed not if you start with the Bible (rather than with an open mind as a Christian believer or otherwise). The whole point of the ark in Genesis ie in God’s word (which Ham thinks is ‘infallible’ as well as useful for instruction) was to judge the Earth and its creatures including humanity but to PREVENT extinctions.

    However, 99 per cent of species that have ever lived on Earth are now EXTINCT.

    Maybe Mr Ham explained that one in Monday’s Answers News?

    Er no – he wasn’t there. But maybe his colleagues (copied in) took up the baton when covering the story, from 26 minutes 30 seconds in?
    ‘Fraid NOT. So I still cannot explain mass extinction (as a concept regardless of how many events may have been involved) via either the Bible OR a ‘biblical worldview’. But the former – unlike the latter – wasn’t wanting to try (or avoiding the attempt) to ‘explain’ it. (In other places I have seen AiG attempt to blame things like unspecified ‘climate change’ in the past or ‘hunting by humans’ etc in an attempt to ‘explain’ in a ‘biblical worldview’ eg the extinction of literally hundreds of species of dinosaur. They usually don’t mention Genesis 8:17 when contemplating extinctions:
    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+8%3A17&version=NIV
    ”Bring out every kind of living creature that is with you—the birds, the animals, and all the creatures that move along the ground—so they can multiply on the earth and be fruitful and increase in number on it.”

    AlI I really learnt from Answers News is that scientists will believe in ‘any’ global catastrophe as long as it’s not ‘the Flood’. (By contrast Answers in Genesis won’t believe in any global catastrophe unless it’s the Genesis flood – plus all that massive volcanism, Earth’s crust being torn apart, ‘catastrophic plate tectonics’, huge tsunamis etc (and that it all occurred around 4,350 years ago).)

    I also learnt – again – that ‘real’ science confirms ‘the Bible’ again and again (said Bryan Osborne – expert in ‘education’). (But the ‘real’ science is young earth creationism – and young earth creationism and ‘the Bible’ are not always synonymous and if they cannot get agreement with ‘the Bible’ they will add stuff that is not in the Bible, or ignore or twist stuff that is in the Bible.)

    And the heretical (or stupid or lying) Dr Haynes tries (AGAIN) to say you can explain ‘mass extinction’ from the flood. No. You CAN’T. Unless you disbelieve parts of the flood account – especially what it says about Noah’s ark. ”As creationists we’ll believe in a mass extinction from the flood”. Based on which Bible verse(s) exactly? NONE that I am aware of – if we are talking, as they have to be, of the final disappearance from Earth of individual biological species (these pseudo-scientists in fact claim there were only so-called ‘kinds’ at the time of the flood and that species as we know them ‘appeared’ or ‘diversified’ post-flood – before vast numbers mysteriously vanished sometimes leaving behind fossils).

    The Permian mass extinction or Great Dying is thought to have rendered many land-based creatures (not dinosaurs and certainly not humans yet, as it was too long ago, gradually or rapidly extinct). But in my Bible I’ve just read the following at Genesis 6:20 (New International Version); I guess I must not be a creationist (or someone who is highly creative with the account of the flood in Genesis and often only tends to quote Genesis 7:11):
    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+6%3A20&version=NIV
    ”Two of every kind of bird, of every kind of animal and of every kind of creature that moves along the ground will come to you to be kept alive.”

    (Please fact check this. Do not accept it without question.)

  13. Ashley Haworth-roberts

    ”Two of every kind of bird, of every kind of animal and of every kind of creature that moves along the ground will come to you to be kept alive.”

    (Please fact check this. Do not accept it without question.)

  14. Once is enough, Ashley Haworth-roberts.

  15. Ashley Haworth-roberts

    Sorry. The first version awaited moderation (due to multiple links) and also contained a typo. So – to try and speed things up – I reposted the text in instalments.

  16. Ashley Haworth-roberts

    In fact you deleted most of the duplication I see …

  17. Ashley Haworth-roberts

    My text was originally emailed (including to AiG staff – who I believe BLOCK my messages as it’s easier than ANSWERING them).