Creationist Wisdom #1,011: It’s So Logical!

Today’s letter-to-the-editor appears in the Maryland Independent of La Plata, Maryland. The letter is titled The existence of God is logical, and the newspaper doesn’t have a comments section.

Because the writer isn’t a politician, preacher, or other public figure, we won’t embarrass or promote him by using his full name. His first name is Chris. Excerpts from his letter will be enhanced with our Curmudgeonly commentary, some bold font for emphasis, and occasional Curmudgeonly interjections that look [like this]. Here we go!

As you may be aware, so few are atheist, even agnostic. The Pew Religious Landscape survey reports that 22.8% of the U.S. is religiously unaffiliated, and atheists make up 3.1% and agnostics 4% of the U.S.population. … According to numerous global studies on atheism, there are 450 to 500 million positive atheists and agnostics worldwide (7% of the world’s population), with China having the most atheists (200 million). [We haven’t checked those figures.] This is simply because the vast majority of people know we were created by an all powerful supernatural intelligence, a deity, God. The evidence is utterly overwhelming.

Yes, it’s overwhelming. Then he says:

While I understand why science only recognizes material solutions/causes, the existence of God is logical. There is not otherwise enough time to account for the complexity and size of the universe.

Very persuasive, but Chris has even more reasons. He tells us:

The necessary first cause, the natural law, the age of the sun, the age of the moon, the average erosion rate, the information required at the start (DNA), the absence of all transitional intermediates [Wow!], three of the world’s five major fossil beds having saltwater, fresh, arctic and tropical remains, the second law of thermodynamics, the impossible mathematical probabilities, the obvious design [Obvious!], the precise tuning of all the systems, the irreducible complexity, all ought to confront any reasonable person.

That, dear reader, is a veritable ark-load of solid arguments. And that’s not all. Chris continues:

And there’s so much more in terms of evidence. The fulfilled prophecies, historical veracity, amazingly preserved scriptures, the plausibility of the Christian faith should give every intellectually honest and independent critical thinker pause to consider.

Then he explains what is probably your problem, dear reader:

Usually, unbelief is a heart issue: an unwillingness to submit to the authority of a holy and righteous God which keeps people away, or even from seeking Him. Be but willing to believe, humbly seek wisdom from God, responding to the revelation given, and more will be given; it’ll be like scales falling from your eyes. Once you see, you always and everywhere see. I have no doubt whatsoever, we will all one day meet Jesus.

Isn’t this great? Let’s read on:

I would encourage you to pray for wisdom, asking the Lord as He promises, “if any of you lacks wisdom, you should ask God, who gives generously to all without finding fault, and it will be given to you.”

Chris finishes with some advice for an atheist who wrote an earlier letter that we can’t find:

I would advise T.J. and his like, to humbly, try it, even offering a prayer, “If You exist, show me,” for He promises that He will reveal Himself. You don’t want to get this wrong.

That sounds like good advice. Why don’t you try it, dear reader?

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19 responses to “Creationist Wisdom #1,011: It’s So Logical!

  1. Michael Fugate

    Chris is a member of Truth Bible Church
    https://www.truthbiblechurch.com/what-we-believe
    Creation
    The triune God is the source, creator, and sustainer of all things and He designed everything to give Him glory. God created the entire universe in six 24-hour days and the age of the earth is relatively young [relative to what?]. God’s creation was originally good and without sin or death, including Lucifer and the first humans Adam and Eve. The earth was changed to its current form after a worldwide flood during the time of Noah. God has revealed Himself to everyone through the amazing design, complexity, and continuous display of creation so that men [just men?] are without excuse in denying His existence and ownership over all that He has made.

  2. Christine Marie Janis

    ‘three of the world’s five major fossil beds having saltwater, fresh, arctic and tropical remains, ‘

    WTF???

  3. Chrissie can’t make up his mind:

    “The evidence is utterly overwhelming.”
    “….. is logical.”
    What will it be? Evidence based or reason (ie thinking) based?

    “all ought to confront any reasonable person”
    And all have been rebutted.

    “unbelief is a heart issue”
    No – it’s brain based. That’s where not only my arguments, but also my emotions are produced.

    “the authority of a holy and righteous God ”
    Mwah. Everybody can call anybody holy. And righteous? A god ordering genocide several times? Not in my dictionary.

    “….. and more will be given.”
    Yeah, but understanding and knowledge are not among those gifts, if Chrissie is exemplary.

    “If You exist, show me,”
    I prayed this several times.
    Zilch, nada, zero, nothing.

  4. This time I can’t wait until the next FFZ. This Dutch YECer proclaims openly what IDiots spasmodically try to hide:

    https://logos.nl/evolutieleer-niet-verenigbaar-met-christelijk-geloof/

    “Wetenschappelijke modellen mogen door christenen gehanteerd en aanvaard worden, maar zij moeten altijd onder de koepel worden gezet van het Bijbelse getuigenis over schepping, zondeval, verlossing en voleinding. Waar zij botsen, moet niet het Bijbelse getuigenis worden aangepast, maar de reikwijdte van wetenschappelijke modellen.”

    “Scientific models can be used and accepted by christians, but they always must be placed under the dome of the Biblical testimony regarding creation, Fall, salvation and completion. Where they collide not the Bibilical testimony should be accommodated, but the range of scientific models.”

    And the Bible testifies pi = 3, so let’s revolutionize math.

    The article orignally was published in Reformatorisch Dagblad. The sad news (well, not so sad for us evilutionists) is that its circulation has dropped from more than 58 000 in 2000 to less than 42 000 in 2017. Perhaps Chris and co aren’t praying hard enough?

  5. @Christine Marie Janis, they do like to talk about the different layers of fossil beds, where stratification means that you do start seeing the occasional intermingling of biomes. Now, of course, this happens in a rather observable and expected manner, but that there are relatively clearly defined boundaries between fossils where exceptions aren’t the rule, as one would expect from the chaos of a global flood, is taken as proof of a global flood.

  6. Christine Marie Janis

    @Jim Roberts. I’m mainly curious what those “five major fossil beds” actually represent.

  7. Michael Fugate

    There is not otherwise enough time to account for the complexity and size of the universe.

    When you believe the universe is 6000 years old – no wonder one doesn’t believe there is enough time.

    As for this –
    The fulfilled prophecies, historical veracity, amazingly preserved scriptures, the plausibility of the Christian faith should give every intellectually honest and independent critical thinker pause to consider.

    There could be gods – seems unlikely, but it is possible – can’t imagine they would be anything like Chris’. What does “amazingly preserved” mean here?
    There are much older religious documents.

  8. chris schilling

    Fake Chris had a wonderful dream about Duane Gish last night, and woke up in a wet patch. Then he decided to get all totalitarian and demand unbelievers “submit to the authority of a holy and righteous God.”

    No, Fake Chris. What unbelievers won’t submit to is the fundamentalist fantasy of a supposed authority invested in you by your god. Humans have always resisted tyranny. That’s one of our most winning qualities.

    Unbelief is not a heart issue. Angina is. Ischemia is a serious medical condition, too, affecting another vital bodily organ, and ceationists suffer from it in droves.

  9. Dave Luckett

    I find myself seconding FrankB. Many times I have petitioned God for some evidence that He exists. If I even knew that much, it would be a start, and I could then proceed to asking Him, WTF? But not a whisper, nothing, nada, niente, nichivo.

    Perhaps Calvin’s doctrine of the elect can explain it. I was not elect from the beginning of the Universe, and so God need not concern Himself with me. Well, it’s a hypothesis. Now, how to test it…?

    And perhaps, with that thought, I have just demonstrated why I am not among the elect. Sigh.

  10. wow…thats some kind of a contest winner ……

  11. I could believe that the Grand Canyon has fresh-water, salt water and aeolian deposits, but I have no idea what he means about arctic and tropical.

    Why would the flood cause this jumble, anyway?

  12. @Dave@FrankB. God speaks to those TV preachers, especially the ones grifting for money, so they claim. Exactly how is that done, I wonder? God spoke to Moses through a burning bush, hasn’t used that trick again.

  13. I hear Trump’s spiritual advisor (Should that be capitalized “Spiritual Advisor”? Don’t want to be disrespectful!) Paula White has a direct line to God so maybe we should ask her what God says.

  14. Gosh! The Earth has only five major fossil beds? Who knew?

    I’d like to ask Chris about that — like for instance, where are these five big fossil beds? And why do only three of the world’s five major fossil beds have saltwater, fresh, arctic and tropical remains? I mean, if the entire earth was subject to a catastrophic Flood, wouldn’t we expect ALL fossil beds, major and minor, to be similar?

    And another thing, Chris — there are untold millions of fossils already discovered. If there are only five major fossil beds, where do all of those fossils go to sleep at night?

    But seriously, if all “kinds” were created in the First Week, why don’t we find any mammals, birds, dinosaurs, etc. in Paleozoic or earlier layers? Did they all understand that their death was imminent and make a pilgrimage to some as yet undiscovered sixth major fossil bed?

  15. @retiredsciguy
    Is the order to the fossils due to “design”, or is it possible that nature can produce such a massive, complicated pattern?

  16. @TomS: creacrap being backward and narrow thinking it should not surprise us that your question has been answered a long time ago. The trick is understanding that the creacrap “definition” (assuming that creacrappers have produced a proper one, which is quite questionable) of “design” means that a miracle is involved. I refer to the questions you and I like to ask. So then we arrive at

    https://davidhume.org/texts/e/10

  17. @FrankB
    But I can’t understand how a miracle is consistent with design. A miracle seems to be a disruption of the ordinary, rational workings. A design takes account of way things are supposed to work. (An eye follows the laws of optics. That is part of its design. If you see something invisible, that is a miracle. )

  18. “But I can’t understand”
    That’s because you lack semantic flexibility, which in this case is a compliment.