Creationist Wisdom #1,013: This Guy Knows!

Today we have a column that we’ll treat as if it were a letter-to-the-editor. It appears in the Chronicle, a weekly newspaper in Winston-Salem, North Carolina. The title is I know there is a God, and they have a comments feature — with no comments yet.

Because the writer isn’t a politician, preacher, or other public figure, we won’t embarrass or promote him by using his full name. He’s the sports and religion editor for the weekly, but that doesn’t qualify for full-name treatment. His first name is Timothy. Excerpts from his column will be enhanced with our Curmudgeonly commentary, some bold font for emphasis, and occasional Curmudgeonly interjections that look [like this]. Here we go!

After briefly mentioning all of his prior columns, he says:

[T]he next topic that has been weighing on my mind is how people can’t believe in some form of a higher power. I am not saying you have to believe in what I believe, but with everything that the world is and all that is in it, I am not sure how one could not believe in a higher power.

Yeah — how can you not believe? Timothy recalls his youth:

When I was a kid and reached the age where I could really understand the concept of religion, it made sense to me based on what I saw. There were too many things that worked out in favor of man for all of this to be a coincidence or simply just evolution. When I actually learned about evolution in class, it had the opposite effect than it had on most. Instead of giving me answers to questions I had about how we got here, it made the belief in my faith stronger. [Hooray for Timothy!] I have always been a very logical thinker, so the most obvious answer to me was that someone had a hand in making this all come true.

Timothy is indeed a logical thinker. He tells us:

Additionally, the thing that made me question evolution was because they attempted to teach me that Homo sapiens evolved from apes. [Apes? Gasp!] That didn’t make sense to me, because every other animal that has evolved has taken over from its predecessor. If we evolved from apes, how and why are they still around and thriving? I don’t see any Homo erectus or Neanderthals walking around the mall.

Yeah! Why are there still monkeys? Timothy continues:

When you think about it, we just happened to land on the planet with the right temperature, perfect mixture of gases, water, an atmosphere, enough food options and some of the most beautiful land formations known to man. [How did all that happen?] There has to be some kind of intelligent design behind all of this.

Yes — intelligent design! That explains everything! Oh, in case you were getting the wrong impression, Timothy makes it clear that he ain’t no bible thumper:

I’m sorry, but as I have stated in a previous article, I don’t take the Bible as 100% literal, so the story of Adam and Eve is a bit farfetched. I do think we were designed by a higher power, but maybe not exactly as it was described in the book of Genesis. One thing is for sure, I do not believe we evolved from apes. [Who would?]

This stuff is great! Let’s read on:

The most common thing I have heard is ‘How can we believe in a God that we have never seen?’ My answer to them has always been, ‘Well, I can’t see air, atoms or molecules, but I know they exist, so what’s your point?’

Brilliant — absolutely brilliant! Skipping to the end, Timothy finishes with this:

God gave us free will so that people are free to believe what they choose to believe, but I am just glad I am blessed to know my God is real. People can say whatever they want, my faith will never waiver.

That was very impressive. Way to go, Timothy!

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16 responses to “Creationist Wisdom #1,013: This Guy Knows!

  1. Ah, the argument from ignorance. Such a useful way to avoid thinking.

  2. Every other animal that has evolved has taken over from its predecessor.
    Dogs evolved from wolves.

  3. Michael Fugate

    TomS, Is he saying the other organisms have evolved – just not humans?

  4. @Michael Fugate
    He tells us that he has always been a logical thinker. Here is more of his thinking
    That didn’t make sense to me, because every other animal that has evolved has taken over from its predecessor. If we evolved from apes, how and why are they still around and thriving? I don’t see any Homo erectus or Neanderthals walking around the mall.
    He is saying that the rule is that if X is evolved from Y, then Y is not around when X is.
    So, if we evolved from Homo erectus or Neanderthals, then they wouldn’t be around.
    And his observations are that there aren’t any Homo erectus or Neanderthals around.
    I don’t see an example of logical thinking.
    Do I have to point out that we didn’t evolve from gorillas or chimps?

  5. @TomS, and, of course, whales have completely replaced moose in northern climes – can’t drive from Flin Flon to Thunder Bay without slowing down as a pack of minke whales undulate across the highway.

    (Yes, whale ancestors aren’t deer, and moose are a much later derivation of the deer family, but that’s kind of the point.)

  6. “When I was a kid and reached the age where I could really understand the concept of religion, it made sense to me based on what I saw. There were too many things that worked out in favor of man for all of this to be a coincidence or simply just evolution”

    Since then, Tim stayed the same amazed kid that just saw Santa for the first time and understood, with his heart, that gifts appear – perfectly designed – in Santa’s pouch.

    “There has to be some kind of intelligent design behind all of this”

    Is there different kinds of ID? It must be an interesting theological question.

  7. My answer to “If we evolved from apes ….”

  8. chris schilling

    The Gospel According to Tim:

    “I don’t see Homo erectus or Neanderthals walking around the mall.”
    (That’s because they do all their shopping online).

    “…so the story of Adam and Eve is a bit farfetched.”
    (Cue Ken Ham having apoplectic seizure).

    “…my faith will never waiver [sic]”.
    (No, but his grasp of literacy can and does).

    Jim Roberts comments:
    “…as a pack of minke whales undulate across the highway.”

    Followed by hundreds of angry Japanese whalers in hot pursuit.

  9. @Desnes Diev
    some kind of intelligent design
    That explains it all!
    There is the IID that relates to the whole universe being desinged.
    There is the ID that relates to the privileged planet rather than the whole universe.
    There is the ID that relates to The Fall of Adam.
    There is the ID that relates to the Cambrian Explosion.
    There is the ID that relates to Homo sapiens.
    There is the ID that relates to The Flood.
    There is the ID that relates to “created kinds”.
    There is the ID that relates to individual reproductions.

  10. Michael Fugate

    You forgot fingerprint and snowflake design – how could they all be different if they weren’t designed with the purpose of all being different?

  11. The whole thing is so incoherent. What more needs to be said?
    Let me make a speculation: we are so swamped by advertising that we will believe anything.

  12. Firstly, and most obviously, we didn’t evolve from apes. We are apes – tailless primates. We did evolve from earlier apes.

    But perhaps even more striking: “There were too many things that worked out in favor of man for all of this to be a coincidence or simply just evolution.”

    To belabour the obvious, if the things that worked out to produce man had not worked out that way, then there would be no men to write reversals of logic like that one.

  13. @Dave Luckett
    Yes. But I suggest that that is a somewhat subtle point. Subtle, that is compared with this:
    He argues that if X evolved from Y then U is no longer arounf. (This is obviously not so, as everybody knows that dogs evolved from wolves. But let that be.)
    Then he argues that if humans evolved from Neanderthals and Homo erectus, then what – behold, there are no such precursors! Just what (so he thinks) evolution predicts! And, amazingly, rather than accepting that as compatible with evolution, he argues against evolution.
    This sort of illogic goes on in creationism often. And also throughout “what passes for thought” today. What is the reason that people argue that “you don’t have proof that the world is round, therefore it is Flat” when they don’t have proof that is Flat – maybe it’s a pyramid or who knows what. What drives someone to think that if he would Goes in a home made rocket, it would convince him? That makes no sense. Why should we think that he is a reliable witness?
    The world is awash with not just stupidity, but incoherent, contrary to simple logic, arguments.
    What if we descended from Neanderthals, how come there are no Neanderthals? As stupid as the “how come there are monkeys” argument is, the argument “how come there aren’t Meanderthals” is even stupider.
    I am suggesting that we are being bombarded constantly with the idea that illogic makes sense. The only reason that you should buy this is that you know that it is worthless. Somebody on TV yells something, so i should buy what he is selling? That’s obviously stupid. Someone tells me that he knows what the stock market is going to do, and rather than keeping that secret and making lots of money, he wants to tell the world about it. That’s stupid. Yet we are constantly told that that is smart.
    Someone argues like a 3rd grader, calling childish names, and we are supposed to think that’s clever?

  14. Eddie Janssen

    I think our logical thinker has some problems with the classification schemes in biology.
    Species descend from other species, not from families or orders or sub-orders.
    Here is an example of a classification scheme that may help him understand his line of descent:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primate#Classification_of_living_primates

  15. every other animal that has evolved has taken over from its predecessor. If we evolved from apes, how and why are they still around and thriving? I don’t see any Homo erectus or Neanderthals walking around the mall.
    Here is what I understand he is saying:
    1. If Homo sapiens evolved from Homo erectus, then Homo erectus should be extinct
    2. Homo erectus is extinct
    3. Therefore, Homo sapiens did not evolve from Homo erectus.
    I will not argue against 1, nor against 2. I will only point out that 3 is not a logical consequence of 1 & 2.

  16. I could not get the comments to work over there…at least no comment that was honest. Like he don’t know nuttin’ all he has are statements with no real evidence for anything.