Star Trek Free Fire Zone

We’ve got a weekend coming up and there isn’t any creationist action out there. No litigation, no legislation, no school board craziness — we can’t even find any entertaining letters-to-the-editor, or wacky self-published books to blog about. There’s nothing at all out there except the usual babbling at creationist websites — and even that hasn’t been very entertaining lately.

Okay — here’s something you might want to talk about. It’s a thought we had this morning and it stayed with us all day. In the Star Trek shows, everyone knows they often travel at “warp speed,” which means faster than light. That’s how they’re able to zip around the galaxy and visit all those interesting planets — and Kirk has a pretty girl on every one of them.

But here’s my problem: Why don’t they experience time dilation? If they’re traveling at multiples of lightspeed, why is it always standard time at Star Fleet headquarters when they communicate? Why — as they dash around the galaxy, aren’t centuries passing for the folks back home? We like Captain Kirk and all the pretty ladies he meets during his adventures — but still, how can they ignore the relativistic effects of their velocity?

That doesn’t interest you? No problem. We’re declaring another Intellectual Free-Fire Zone. As with all our free-fire zones, we’re open for the discussion of pretty much anything — science, politics, economics, whatever — as long as it’s tasteful and interesting. Banter, babble, bicker, bluster, blubber, blather, blab, blurt, burble, boast — say what you will. But avoid flame-wars and beware of the profanity filters.

Okay, we now throw open the comments to you, dear reader. Have at it.

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32 responses to “Star Trek Free Fire Zone

  1. Dax Williams

    It wasn’t in the script

  2. There’s no time dilation because they travel through sub-space or hyperspace or an Einstein-Rosen bridge or whatever and not real space. Or just use an Infinite Improbability Drive and you can be everywhere at once.

  3. FFZ posting:
    Trump is saying the Postal Service can’t handle the “huge volume” of mail-in ballots. What?? Has he not heard of Christmas cards?

    Let’s compare — Mail-in ballots: maybe 150 million.
    Christmas cards: perhaps 80 million households mailing 50 cards per household, more or less — that’s 4 Billion cards, or 4,000 million.

    I think the Postal Service will be up to the job. That is, unless Trump’s hand-picked new Postmaster General deliberately screws it up.

  4. This is silly. Let’s discuss something of real concern, like why TOS Klingons look different from TNG Klingons…..

  5. Who hasn’t played with Playmobil as a child? American kids perhaps – Playmobil is German. And me of course, I preferred Lego. Anyhow, Playmobil has made a replica of Noah’s Ark. So Logos.nl reviews it.

    https://logos.nl/playmobil-heeft-de-ark-van-noach-nagebouwd/

    Criticsm: “dit miskent het gewelddadige karakter van de zondvloed”
    “This denies the violent nature of the Big Global Flood.”

    Reminded me of A Clockwork Orange – creacrap kids should be prepared for “a bit of the old ultra violence”.

  6. Logos.nl reviews a book written by ex-IDiot Cees Dekker (his lemma at the English Wikipedia omits his creationist past).

    “De schrijvers lijken niet te beseffen dat ze door de Bijbel te herinterpreteren aan de hand van de wetenschap een slaaf zijn geworden van hun eigen visie.”
    “The authors don’t seem to realize that by re-interpreting the Bible “[something YECers never ever would even consider – FrankB] “based upon science they have become a slave of their own vision.” [ie science]

    Yes, dear friends – free yourselves from the chains of science.

    Logos.nl reviews the movie Armageddon (1998) from a creationist point of view. It’s not very interesting, because it neglects the crucial question: how should we look at the meteorite that caused the mass extinction of 65 million years ago – the famous one that wiped out the dinosaurs?
    So I consulted AIG – who should know better than Ol’Hambo?

    https://answersingenesis.org/dinosaurs/extinction/confirmation-meteorite-impact-killed-dinosaurs/

    “As for the Chicxulub crater, it presumably did strike during the catastrophic Flood year, which we know because of the chemical signature it left in Flood-era sediments. However, whether it is responsible for all such chemical signature in the K–T boundary is a matter of debate. Most creationists believe there likely were a number of space impacts during the Flood (perhaps including >one responsible for a crater in the Congo1), along with substantial volcanic and tectonic activity—all of which contributed to such chemical signatures.”

    Must have been quite a spectacle – a miracle that Noah and his little boat survived it all.

  7. The creacrap topic that interests me most is baraminology. Logos.nl has made me happy.

    https:// logos.nl/ als-de-grenzen-tussen-basistypen-zo-duidelijk-zijn-waarom-kunnen-creationisten-het-onderling-niet-eens-worden-of-een-fossiel-bijvoorbeeld-van-een-aap-of-een-mens-is/

    The title already thrills me! “If the demarcations between kinds are so clear, then why can’t creationists reach consensus whether a fossil is for instnace an ape or a human”

    Well, another excellent creacrap law has been formulated.

    When a fossil is called Australopithecus it’s an ape, when it’s called Homo it’s human. Hence

    https:// logos.nl/ geen-creationistische-consensus-rond-homo-erectus-hoe-een-scepticus-door-het-gebruik-van-verouderde-bronnen-de-plank-misslaat/

    Homo Erectus was an ur-human. Must have been a busy time, immediately after the Flood and the ultra-short ice age that followed.
    Also it’s amusing that secularist naturalist darwinist evilutionist scientists decide whether how a fossil of human ancestors is called and hence determine the demarcation line between a human and an ape.

    “gaat het mij er niet om of de citaten inhoudelijk correct zijn of dat een ‘consensus’ al dan niet gelijk staat met de waarheid”
    “this is not about the question if the quotes are correct as to content or whether ‘consensus’ does or does not equate the truth”.

    Of course not – consensus only equates truth when it fits in the particular YEC interpretation of the Bible. Oops – I wrong YECs ocne again without any justification:

    “deze keuze is geen arbitraire keuze, maar is gemaakt op basis van verschillende lijnen van evidentie.”
    “This choice is not arbitrary, but is made on basis of different lines of evidence.”
    Unfortunately the author doesn’t tell us which ones that would be.

    From the first article:

    “volgens het evolutiemodel logisch is dat grenzen tussen basistypes moeilijk te bepalen zijn” ….. “Niets is minder waar”.
    “according to the evolution model it’s logical that the demarcation lines between kinds are hard to determine” ….. “Nothing is less true”.

    What’s really weird is that the first article links to yet another one on baraminlogy that claims exactly the opposite:

    “De vraagstelling suggereert dat er sprake is van een wetenschappelijk vast te stellen grens, terwijl denkbare methoden om ‘basistypen’ te onderzoeken die per definitie niet onomstootbaar algemeen kunnen vaststellen. Hoogstens kan een benadering worden gevonden.”
    “The formulation of the question [how can we determine demarcation lines between kinds – FrankB] suggests that there is a demarcation that can be determined scientifically, while conceivable methods to research ‘kinds’ can’t determine them beyond reasonable doubt in general by definition.”

    Apparently the memory of Dutch YECs lasts less than two months.

  8. Dave Luckett

    Well, FrankB, if you have to contend with multiple impact tsunamis, best be well out at sea over deep water – the pressure wave will pass as no more than a shiver on the surface. It only rises when it reaches a shoreline or shoal water. But to get that far, you would have to contend with the open ocean. Even in a piddling little body of water like the Atlantic, a five metre swell is nothing out of the ordinary. In a world-girdling ocean over which the wind blows unbroken, look for five times that. But a five-metre swell would shred any wooden ship longer than about 30 metres in less than a day. WIth that amount of leverage, joints and splices fail. Even iron butt-plates and trusses simply rip out of the timber.

    But hey, what of that? God protected the Ark. If you can ring in any miracle you want, nothing can stop you. Same for where the water came from, or where it went. Why bother thinking about it? God did it, right? If He can make the Universe from nothing, what’s a measly planetload of water?

    This is why attacking creationism or “Flood geology” on scientific grounds is pointless. You can point out the multiple overlapping layers of impossibility all you like. So what? There’s always Miracle-o, the universal solvent. One application and all difficulties dissolve,

    That leaves our respective different approaches. I point to their mutilation of scripture and their betrayal of the words of the man they call God. You point and laugh at them. Both are perfectly valid; I am unable to decide which is more useful.

  9. @FrankB
    A little fact about the Hebrew word “min” (“kind”). It is never used in the Bible in reference to humans, only animals and plants. Are we animals?

  10. I dunno about Time Dilation, but here in the Britain Formerly Known as Great we are currently undergoing Time Negation–that is, sharp temporal movements backwards relative to the rest of the G7: UK crashes into deepest recession of any major economy.

    But Is it only that global pandemic to blame?

    “The dual threats of a second wave and slow progress over Brexit negotiations are also particularly concerning,” Alpesh Paleja, lead economist at the CBI, said in a statement.
    The UK government has so far failed to replicate most of the trade deals between the EU and third countries that will no longer benefit British exporters at the end of 2020.

    Ah yes, Brexit, the gift that just keeps giving!

    Brexit fuels brain drain as skilled Britons head to the EU

    …migration from the UK to EU countries has increased by about 30% compared to pre-Brexit numbers. Britons living in other EU countries who decided to obtain EU member state passports as well as their UK ones had increased by more than 500% overall, and by 2,000% in Germany.
    Dr Daniel Auer, a co-author of the report, said: “These increases in numbers are of a magnitude that you would expect when a country is hit by a major economic or political crisis.”
    Moreover, the study found that UK migrants are among the most educated and skilled of those from any nation, with one of the highest net average income rates, suggesting that Brexit has begun a steady drain of the most talented and productive people to the continent.

    Well, what selfish folks those ex-pats must be, unwilling to sacrifice their own prosperity for the sake of help hurl Blighty back to the 1930’s, and refusing to continue the conflicts of a war that ended 75 years ago!

    But why the “slow progress over Brexit negotiations”? The Brexiteers promised “the easiest trade deal in history” because “they need us more than we need them.”

    Really?

    Stilton drives wedge between UK-Japan Brexit deal

    …progress has reportedly been blown off course after International Trade Secretary Liz Truss requested better terms for British blue cheeses. The Financial Times, which first reported that talks had hit a snag, said Ms Truss may be looking for a symbolic victory, as sales of blue cheese to Japan from the UK were only £102,000 last year.

    A better deal for the products may mean her department could claim a slightly more favourable deal than the one the EU secured with Japan last year, when the two sides secured a cut of €1bn of tariffs on food.

    Set Future Prospects of the younger generation to ‘Stunned’, Mr. Sulu.

    And Mr. Chekhov, set a course backwards, warped factor 11.

    Rue, Britannia!

  11. @Not so genuine has an excellent suggestion:

    “How about rational.”
    Yeah, the world would become a better place immediately if creationists began to try this.

  12. More to the point, why is the Horta the only species Kirk didn’t have sex with? So far as we know …

  13. Michael Fugate

    As a creationist, GA meant rationalize not rational. Like how the Bible can be true and God can be benevolent.

  14. @ Our Curmudgeon: We knew that your Inflatable Olivia ® Doll was the Deluxe Model–that is, the one with the pull-string voice box–but we hadn’t realised you could record your own phrases on it! That must be a great joy for you.

    And thanks for the linked article. I am guessing that an[nu]ally accepting many metric tonnes of Sea Lion Jerky will be a condition imposed by the USA on its current trade negotiations with the Formerly United Kingdom Egregiously Demoted…

  15. @DaveL: “I am unable to decide which is more useful.”
    Neither am I.

  16. I thought the Klingon problem was explained in the Enterprise 4th Season.

  17. Apparently, Kirk and the Horta had a brief fling, but now their relationship is on the rocks.

    Horta? I hardly know ‘er!

    Dammit, Bones, I’m a captain not a bricklayer!
    (“That’s what she said.”)

    A little assistance would be appreciated!

  18. To transgress the idea that life is an absolute of a person’s flamboyance of a consequence measurable only by the absorption of today’s responses to what happened yesterday, is nothing but a bankrupt posit of superficiality, which has become the norm of persons living in a whelm of regurgitated, intellectual slops. I thought each of you had more originality.

  19. @retiredsciguy

    I was looking into this yesterday and came up with different numbers but the same conclusion.

    Copy-and-paste-ing here:

    An estimated 160 million Americans will vote in the 2020 General Election — maybe about half (80 million) by mail (up from less than a quarter in 2016).

    USPS, July 2020: “In fiscal year 2019, the Postal Service delivered 143 billion pieces of mail to 160 million delivery addresses and operated more than 31,000 Post Offices.”

    Yeah — billion with a B.

    Click to access usps-delivers-the-facts.pdf

    USPS, 13 Dec 2019: “USPS is expecting to deliver 800 MILLION parcels this month [December 2019] and 13 billion pieces of mail.”

    13 billion is 162,500 times as much as 80 million.

    https://about.usps.com/newsroom/local-releases/co/2019/1213ma-wednesday-is-one-of-the-busiest-mailing-days-of-the-year.htm

    USPS, 10 Oct 2019: “The Postal Service recommends the following mailing and shipping deadlines for expected delivery by Dec. 25 to . . . domestic addresses: Dec. 20 — First-Class Mail service (including greeting cards)”

    https://about.usps.com/newsroom/national-releases/2019/1010-usps-releases-deadlines-for-holiday-shipping.htm

    If USPS can handle 13 billion (yeah — billion with a B) pieces of Christmas mail year after year, they can handle 80 million General Election ballots — less than two-thirds of one percent — especially if voters don’t wait ’til the last minute.

    Unless Trump and DeJoy’s sabotage is successful. That should be our focus — thwarting their sinister plot.

    Thanks.

  20. @My Dear Curmudgeon
    For reasons unknown to me, there appears to be a vast lacuna in the middle of my previous Comment.
    Any chance you can clean up my mess?
    Thanks!

  21. @Random
    Those 80 million ballots may represent much more pieces of mail. Let us assume that state X decides this very inefficient way: mailing each potential voter a form to return to apply for voting by mail; the potential voter must return the form by mail; the state then mails booklets explaining the upcoming election choices, and then ballots to those who returned the form; and finally the voters mail the ballots. Assume that the first four mailings each account for twice as many poeces as the final (only half the potential voters finally use the mail ballot). This means that 9 times as many pieces of mail, 9 x 2/3% = 6% of Christmas mail.
    Of course, some states may choose a simpler method, just mailing a ballot to each registered voter.

  22. Random: It looks okay to me. I don’t see any “vast lacuna.”

  23. @My Dear Curmudgeon
    Thanks for checking — must be just me and my PC.
    (Btw, what happened to @Kae Quante‘s Comment? I wanted to ask him what choices of dressing were available for that word salad. No Reply necessary.)

  24. @TomS

    Okay — 6%. Over at least 2 months for four mailings (why would a state mail the booklet and ballot separately if it’s paying for it?) So call it a 3% or less increase in volume per month.

    The Christmas crush (13 billion mailings in about a month) represents about a 9% increase over the rest-of-the-year’s monthly volume of mailings (about 11.9 billion mailings). (Although several articles I read said the Christmas crush represented three times the monthly volume for the rest of the year, I deem it unnecessary to resolve this discrepancy — I’m going with the horse’s mouth, the USPS.)

    3% increase for General Election vs 9% for Christmas.

    I think mine and @retiredsciguy‘s conclusion stands.

    Thanks for your participation.

  25. @Random
    I wanted to make the most extreme estimate for the increase in volume which the USPS would be expected to handle, and came up with a figure of 3% of the Christmas rush.
    I didn’t think it was necessary to say that this would not be a burden which would be unreasonable.
    (Did I detect a feeling that I was arguing against your point? That was not my intention, and I’m sorry if I didn’t make that clear.)

  26. And one more mitigating factor: the items being handled are almost all local postage, not requiring as much sorting and long-distance shipping as Xmas mail does.

  27. @TomS

    No, I didn’t get the feeling that you were arguing against my point. Sorry if I gave that impression.

    I just wanted to clarify to the gallery that your four or five mailings would be spread out over at least twice the timespan as my original Comment contemplated.

    Everything after that was crossing i’s and dotting t’s, O/C-wise.

    Thanks.

    PS: Another mitigating factor is that ballot envelopes are usually distinctively marked and uniform within jurisdictions.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/when-will-i-get-november-absentee-mail-ballot-state-guide-2020-8

  28. Michael Fugate

    This seems relevant today….

    Critical Review
    Volume 15, 2003 – Issue 3-4
    Ernst Cassirer’s theory of myth
    Peter Savodnik
    Pages 447-458 | Published online: 06 Mar 2008
    Abstract
    Ernst Cassirer viewed mythical thinking as a first step in our mental representation of the real world, but only a first step. What myth leaves out are the differentiations that lead eventually to science. To the primitive, mythically inclined mind, the world is an undifferentiated whole, the elements of which—including the mind itself—are thought to be concrete and interconnected. This means that there is no distinction between observer and observed, and that the observer sees the representations with which she constructs her picture of reality as direct apprehensions of reality, unmediated by any sensory or cognitive categories. Far as that way of thinking may seem from the modern mindset, we have only to examine commonplace political ideas to find evidence of the implicit assumption of an unmediated connection between the wishes of political agents and the results they intend to achieve.

    Apparently his book “The Myth of the State” was published from notes after Cassirer’s death of a heart attack in 1945 and was not a polished work.

  29. Kosh wonders

    why TOS Klingons look different from TNG Klingons

    That’s too easy! Noah took two TOS Klingons on board the Ark, and after he released them on Mt Ararat, they underwent the same hyper-accelerated microevolution of other critters and became TNG Klingons.

    What they did not do was become Romulans, that is, a different kind of alien entity.

    That’s another win for Creationism!