AIG Says the Pyramids Were Built After the Flood

The history of the world, biological and geological, has been a problem for the creation scientists who work for Answers in Genesis (AIG), the creationist ministry of Ken Ham (ol’ Hambo) — the ayatollah of Appalachia, the world’s holiest man who knows more about religion and science than everyone else.

To help correct the grievous errors of the secular world — especially regarding human history — they posted this at AIG’s website: Were the Pyramids Built Before the Flood? It first appeared on 01 October 2012, but we didn’t notice it then. Fortunately they just posted it again. It was written by Bodie Hodge, Hambo’s son-in-law. Here are some excerpts, with bold font added by us for emphasis, and occasional Curmudgeonly interjections that look [like this]:

I’m surprised how often I am asked about the age of the ziggurats and pyramids, in particular the Great Pyramid of Giza, located in modern-day Egypt.

Why is Bodie surprised? He says:

One of the main reasons for this question is that secular literature commonly dates the Great Pyramid around 2550 BC. If this date is correct, then the Great Pyramid existed before the Flood of Noah’s day [Gasp!], which occurred around 2350 BC and destroyed everything on earth (2 Peter 3:5–6)! Obviously, something is askew.

Indeed, something is askew. Five years ago we wrote about another AIG article on Egyptian history — see Answers in Genesis Revises Egypt’s History. There we said:

A few years ago we posted our Top Ten Reasons Noah’s Flood is Mythology. It’s been viewed over 10,000 times. Reason number three was:

What about Egypt? They have a written history that precedes, is co-existent with, and which continues uninterruptedly after the time of the Flood, yet somehow they were unaware of that catastrophic global event. The same is true for the Chinese and other cultures. How did a global Flood somehow ignore them, leaving their societies intact?

You can easily see the problem that Egyptian history presents for creationists. Bodie writes:

Were the pyramids built before the Flood? Did the pyramids survive the Flood? Consider three points [Here they come!]:

First, the Great Pyramid of Giza lacks significant water damage. [Egad!] The Flood was incredibly destructive. Researchers [i.e.: “creationist researchers”] point out that the entire surface of the earth was radically changed. The surface of every continent was destroyed and new mountains formed. Thousands of feet of mud and sand were dumped on every continent, burying and fossilizing creatures and plants. Nothing manmade could survive such a catastrophe. (By the way, that means that the location of the Garden of Eden is also lost.)

Bodie’s first point is actually powerful evidence against the Flood, but Bodie knows the Flood is The Truth and everything else is wrong. His list of three points continues:

Second, the pyramid is built on the fossil-bearing rock layers from the Flood of Noah’s day. Clearly, the Flood had to predate a pyramid built on top of the Flood layers.

BWAHAHAHAHAHA! Here comes Bodie’s final point:

Third, the Hebrew word translated “Egypt” is Mizraim. Mizraim was Noah’s grandson, born to Ham after the Flood. So Mizraim’s descendants could not have built the Great Pyramid of Egypt (Mizraim) until after the Flood, and for that matter, after the events at the Tower of Babel that caused Mizraim’s family to move to the region of the Nile River.

Those are three powerful points indeed! Actually, considering all the monuments, engravings, and other history left by the Egyptians, what does seem clear is that Moses, who was said to have been raised as a prince of Egypt, and who also wrote the first five books of the bible, was never anywhere near Egypt — nor was anyone else who had anything to do with writing Genesis. But that’s not how Bodie sees things. He declares:

With all this evidence [Huh?], the Great Pyramid is clearly post-Flood. So, why the older date for the Great Pyramid in secular literature? Many of the accepted dates for events in ancient Egypt came from an ancient list of pharaohs and the lengths of their reigns recorded by the historian Manetho, who lived in Egypt about 200 BC.

Oh, and he was obviously a fool! Let’s read on:

Although there is much more to this, Manetho assumed the pharaohs’ reigns had been consecutive and so tallied them up sequentially to arrive at a very long Egyptian chronology. The problem, it appears, is that some of these pharaohs were reigning at the same time in different Egyptian kingdoms — the Upper Kingdom, Middle Kingdom, or Lower Kingdom. Sometimes fathers and sons seem to have reigned together for a long time, too. So the dates for the pharaohs are grossly inflated.

Yeah, they sometimes had dozens of pharaohs at the same time! Another excerpt:

As an analogy, if we took all the past state governors of the United States and stacked their terms sequentially, the nation would appear to be much, much older than it is! The problem should be obvious.

Hey — that makes good sense! And now we come to the end:

In brief, the secular date for the Great Pyramid is incorrect, and all the pyramids and ziggurats across the world today are post-Flood construction.

That’s it, dear reader. We assume you’re now convinced that the pyramids and all the other monuments of Egypt were built after the Flood. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a Darwinist fool!

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26 responses to “AIG Says the Pyramids Were Built After the Flood

  1. Hambone’s FLOOD is BS but I’m sure the pyramids were built after a flood if any occurred.

  2. There is a question of population growth after the Flood. Starting with a population of 8 on the Ark at 2400 BC or so, how many people were available in Egypt whenever the pyramids were
    built? I will leave the calculation to the YECs.

  3. TomS, I calculated the world’s population for several generations after the Flood. See Answers in Genesis — The Ice Age.

  4. TomS – Not only that, there was plenty of activity before the Great Pyramids were built. Smaller pyramids and mastabas go back to 2950 BC.

  5. And, of course, any population calculations must factor in the multitude of contemporaneous civilizations scattered across the globe, leaving their own monuments and debris. Not to mention the travel time to the four corners of the decimated mudworld. Even if Mythical Noah’s progeny bred like priapistic bunnies, the math just doesn’t work.

  6. I also wonder how much vegetation was left after a whole year under brackish water. How long would it take for trees to regrow? I feel sorry about those two elephants coming off the ark ….

  7. “First, the Great Pyramid of Giza lacks significant water damage.”

    This sounds like “historical science”, which the creationists assure me is utterly unreliable. We can’t make inferences about the past by looking at modern evidence!

  8. Dave Luckett

    Although some granite was used in the pyramids at Giza, they are mostly built and faced with oolitic limestone from Tura. This is a fine-grained sedimentary stone in which thin-section microscopy reveals microfossils, usually shell fragments. That is, Bodie would claim that it is itself evidence for a Flood. Therefore, clearly, the pyramids were built after the Flood, of stone which was itself a result of the Flood. All Bodie needs to explain now is how material like that became stone in only a few hundred years at most, on the surface, in dry conditions, after a catastrophic flood, when the evidence of precipitation by slow degrees over ages under water is plain to see.

    While he’s at it, he might explain how there is not a hint anywhere of multiple Pharaohs at any one time, except in known – and brief – periods of revolt. Why all formal depictions and sculptures of Pharaohs wear the combined crowns of Upper and Lower Egypt. Why the Pharaoh Narmer, who seems to be the same person as Menes, the first Pharaoh of Egypt, left a palette that specifically claims to have united Egypt under his sole rule. Why there is not one letter in any of the four major archives of Egyptian royal correspondence between contemporaneous Pharaohs or from a foreign ruler to several Pharaohs. Why the Bible itself gives not the faintest hint of more than one Pharaoh at a time, and to assume there were is actually to add to scripture.

    I suppose only the last of those questions would cause Bodie any problem at all, and he would have to take refuge in the idea that the Bible doesn’t mention other Pharaohs extant because it doesn’t, uncaring of the adage that the truth is all the truth. The rest of the objections Bodie would just handwave away. Mere human records, fallible and indeed false accounts, la la la.

    Which is to say, Bodie, like every creationist, has parked not only his mind, but also his ethics, at the door when entering.

  9. If the pyramids had been built before the flood, they might have floated out of Egypt into the Mediterranean. Thus building them after the flood waters receded ensured that they would be anchored where they now sit.

  10. Michael Fugate

    Maybe the should change the name to RiG – rationalizations in Genesis.

  11. How many years did it take for oolotic sandstone to form into load-bearing rock from wet sand!

  12. Charles Deetz ;)

    How many more ancient structures are there for RiG to rationalize their history to be post flood?

  13. Michael Fugate

    Stonehenge? Newgrange? Taforalt?

  14. Dave Luckett

    Or the granddaddy temple of them all, Gobekli Tepe?

  15. @TomS thinks he’s smart again: “How many years did it take for oolotic sandstone to form into load-bearing rock from wet sand!”
    If hyper-accelerated evolution is possible YHWH can hyper-accelerate this process too.

    @CharlesD: here are three more pre Big Pissed Off God Flood buildings in France.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_oldest_known_surviving_buildings

  16. Re “The surface of every continent was destroyed and new mountains formed. Thousands of feet of mud and sand were dumped on every continent, burying and fossilizing creatures and plants.”

    Uh, since the water basically came from “the Waters Above” in 40 days and forty nights and flooded all of the lands, where did all of this mud and sand come from. Apparently the author assumes that the Great Flood was like a river flood with the river carrying toms of material with it.

    Are the waters above Muddy Waters? (Do they play the Blues?) Would not all of the mud end up at the bottom of the oceans, why would it stay on land? As it rained and rained and rained, the water flowed downhill, no?

    It is hard to accept that people are so venal as to make up such bulls*** for a paycheck.

  17. Michael Fugate

    Designing rocks with fossils is like designing distant stars with light reaching the earth. Or jeans with wear and holes… or how about antiquing furniture or art? Who is to know the designer’s purposes, but the intended audience’s gullible response is clear?

  18. We can make an assumption that Bodie is a dim bulb in the microwatt range. Couple that with his weird, convoluted religious delusion and out pop some common characteristics of creationists: dishonesty, lack of ethics and morals, no sense of humor and definitely no sense of irony.

    Bodie burbles – “Although there is much more to this, Manetho assumed the pharaohs’ reigns had been consecutive and so tallied them up sequentially to arrive at a very long Egyptian chronology.”

    Apparently oblivious, deliberately so I surmise, that his own Biblical chronology he so lovingly cherishes and worships and upon which is his world view is built was constructed by Bishop Ussher around 1650 using the “begats” from the Bible and other historical references and many assumptions, fiddles and approximations. Notice how the AIG crew always skips over that little detail.

  19. @docbill1351
    Quite so.
    One may be charitable and suggestva short attention span. Perhaps over exposure to TV.

  20. Steve Ruis above mentions a problem I was going to ask about. I am not a geologist, and I never played one on TV, but the hypothesis that piling up mud would make the Rocky Mountains, let alone the Himalayas, appears rather improbable to me.
    But the AIG boys and girls don’t pay much attention to how probable their hypotheses may be.

  21. Michael Fugate

    It is interesting how mountains become homes to gods or allow one to get closer to gods by climbing to their tops. One wonders why Ham and co aren’t making daily? weekly? pilgrimages to mountaintops for the latest memoranda on sin and wickedness or why he didn’t build the “resting” Ark on one to enhance the “realism”?

  22. @ Abeastwood also thinks he’s smart: “the hypothesis that piling up mud would make the Rocky Mountains, let alone the Himalayas, appears rather improbable to me.”
    What?! For Bodie’s god nothing is improbable.

  23. @FrankB
    … for … God, nothing is improbable
    What about (macro)evolution?
    What about chance?
    Natural selection?
    Something in the Bible doesn’t mean what one thinks it means?
    If we assume that probable means with a probability greater than 1%, then there are at most 100 things which are
    probable (not improbable).

  24. Silly, silly TomS. Of course for Bodie’s god macro evolution is not improbable. He could have used it, but he didn’t. So says the Bible as interpreted by the ayatollah of Appalachia, the world’s holiest man who knows more about religion and science than everyone else.

  25. DavidK suggests:

    If the pyramids had been built before the flood, they might have floated out of Egypt into the Mediterranean. Thus building them after the flood waters receded ensured that they would be anchored where they now sit.

    And: a few could have floated right across the Atlantic and become Mesoamerican pyramids!

    But jeepers, do we have to do all the thinking for the Creationists?

  26. Steve Ruis – “Are the waters above Muddy Waters? (Do they play the Blues?)”

    Well, what color is the sky? Science!