You Can Rely on the Bible’s Tale of Noah’s Flood

Your Curmudgeon has previously posted about his skepticism regarding the Flood — see, e.g.: Top Ten Reasons Noah’s Flood is Mythology. But now we’re re-thinking the whole thing.

Why? It’s because of the latest post at the website of Answers in Genesis (AIG) — the creationist ministry of Ken Ham (ol’ Hambo), the ayatollah of Appalachia, the world’s holiest man who knows more about religion and science than everyone else. Hambo’s new post is titled Discover Over 300 Flood Legends in Echoes of Ararat. Here are some excerpts, with bold font added by us for emphasis, and occasional Curmudgeonly interjections that look [like this]:

How many flood and Babel legends do you think exist in just North and South America? If I told you over 300, would you be surprised? Yes, there’s that many! [Gasp!] Actually, such legends exist all over the world. The Bible records the true account of the historical event of the global flood and the tower of Babel, but cultures around the world have distorted versions of these real, historical events as they’ve been handed down and changed over the ages.

We posted once before about non-biblical flood legends — see Other Names for Noah? Those names were about people and legends that had nothing to do with ol’ Hambo’s ark. But he has something new to talk about today. He says:

The reality of the flood and tower of Babel is confirmed [Wow!] by the hundreds of legends that have been handed down since the people groups split at Babel. And you can discover many of these legends in a brand-new book, Echoes of Ararat.

Hambo gives us a link to his own bookstore, but we’ll link to the book at Amazon: Echoes of Ararat. The publisher is Master Books. They also publish stuff by Hambo. Now he tells us:

In this new resource, civil engineer and researcher Nick Liguori chronicles over 300 creation, flood, and Babel traditions from all over North and South America, organized by regions — beginning in Canada and proceeding southward. Learn what the Cherokee, Lakota, Iroquois, Cheyenne, Inuit, Inca, Aztec, Guaraní, and countless other tribes have claimed about the early history of the world.

Floods are common, and lots of people have flood legends. Also, because of missionaries who visit native people to teach them about the bible, loads of tribal folk have legends based partially on some long ago preacher’s tale. Anyway, Hambo continues:

You’ll also discover many evidences for the historical reliability of Genesis and discover that the Genesis flood account is not dependent on the Epic of Gilgamesh or other Near-Eastern texts, as skeptics claim. The Jews did not borrow stories from the surrounding cultures. Instead, the cultures around the world have distorted versions of the original account that is preserved in the Bible under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.

Thrilling, huh? And the Gilgamesh epic isn’t the only early non-biblical version of the Flood. See ICR Resolves Chaos Over Multiple Flood Myths. Anyway, Hambo ends his post with this:

This new resource is a wonderful confirmation of the truth of God’s Word. [No doubt!] You can order Echoes of Ararat by itself or as part of our Flood Evidences Combo [Link omitted!] (a great option for a deep dive into questions regarding the flood of Noah’s day).

Okay, dear reader — whatcha gonna do? Believe Hambo, or believe all those hell-bound skeptics. It’s your decision, but beware — the consequences are eternal!

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9 responses to “You Can Rely on the Bible’s Tale of Noah’s Flood

  1. Dave Luckett

    Flood legends are everywhere a settled culture grew up where they usually start – in river valleys.where catastrophic flooding is possible. And people who are in contact with one another swap stories. Given enough time in contact, culture gets shared around.

    This is news?

    On the other hand, isolated cultures with no experience of flooding have no flood legends. In the Nile valley, no catastrophic flood legend. The Nile floods every year, but never catastrophically and always to everyone’s benefit. It’s the Egyptian Creation myth that begins in a chaotic waste of waters – and if you read between the lines, the author(s) of Genesis Ch 1 had a similar idea. It was almost certainly imported – and the same applies to the Genesis flood legend, only in that case, it was from Mesopotamia, the land between the two rivers. The Sumerians, Babylonians and so on had flood legends out the wazoo, far older than the Bible, and with very good cause.

    So this argument – everyone’s got a flood legend, therefore there was one almighty flood – is false in fact and false in application. Everyone hasn’t, and those that do, have a perfectly obvious natural reason for having it.

    Nevertheless, Ham and others trot this out from time to time, knowing that they can rely on their audience not to know better. That’s the bottom-feeding con-man’s stock in trade, right there. Every criminal operating some version of the Spanish prisoner, every internet or phone scam artist posing as anything from a telco to Amazon to the tax man, all of them rely on some proportion of the marks not knowing. It’s not even as worthy as the pea-and-thimble game – for that requires dexterity, at least. But for this – nothing but barefaced chutzpah.

    And a knowledge of audience. As I’ve remarked, Ham selects for ignorance. He doesn’t bother with people who know better. He doesn’t need to, and they’re always trouble. So he chums the waters with this sort of twaddle. He’s not concerned with the fish it doesn’t attract. It attracts some. That’s plenty.

    Plenty to keep Ham and family in the good things of life. He’s no Bernie Madoff. He’s not even Kent Hovind. Like all good predators, he selects his prey. He survives. Creationism survives, and it adapts. Evolution, y’know?

  2. Just as there are so many stories around the world about the Sun going around the Earth, they are verifying the Bible stories about the Sun going around the Earth.

  3. Charles Deetz ;)

    Much better to have a spreadsheet of these legends to compare how much they agree and vary. Date, location, extent, name of boat captain, whether gods were involved, etc.

  4. Dave Luckett

    @Charles Deetz: If the argument is over whether the flood legends found in many cultures are evidence for a single great flood. I regret that I can’t see how such a spreadsheet would help. It would illustrate differences between cultures, but no more.

    Sure, the details vary. Date of origin is indeterminate for most flood legends. Practically the only common factor is a great flood of divine or supernatural origin, survived by a few people in a boat of some kind. The characters, god or gods, demons or supernatural events always differ. Some human dereliction or transgression is always the cause, but it’s always a different act, from making too much noise (Sumerian) to abusing an owl (Australian Aboriginal) to general sinfulness (Hebrew) to killing a mighty giant. (Norse. The Norse flood is a flood of blood. Typical.)

    The details don’t make any difference to the Biblical literalist, who says that the Bible’s version is the right and correct one because it’s in the Bible, and that the many different legends of a flood prove that there was one and only one great Flood. Nor will it make any difference to the rational account, which points out that it is not surprising that there are many flood legends. Some are clearly older than the version that appears in Genesis, but none of them, nor all of them together, are evidence for one great world flood.

  5. All according to the well tested principle:

    X is evidence for creacrap;
    -X is also evidence for creacrap.

    This applies to CharlesD’s spreadsheet as well.

  6. Several legends say there was a flood. Therefore my legend is true. Sounds about right.

  7. This is not evidence for evilution either and especially not common descent:

    https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL1N2LE1IL

    “The chimpanzees have also adopted other human behaviours such as grabbing goodies like nuts to chew on while watching the action.”

  8. Also, I would think that all the plains First Nations, for example, should really be lumped together as one legend.

    Not to mention that all the new world peoples would have had pretty much the same culture 10K (or even 6K !) years ago, so of course they would have similar legends.

  9. Out local river flooded recently – fishing was difficult for a few days!