ICR Has New Evidence for Noah’s Flood

Prepare to have your entire understanding of the world be radically changed, dear reader. That’s what will happen if you dare to read the latest from the creation scientists at the Institute for Creation Research (ICR) — the granddaddy of all creationist outfits, the fountainhead of young-earth creationist wisdom.

Their post is titled Extra-biblical Flood Legends, and it was written by Frank Sherwin, M.A. (He’s so proud of his Master’s degree.) At the end of the article he’s described as “Research Associate at ICR” with an “M.A. in zoology from the University of Northern Colorado.” Here are some excerpts from his article, with bold font added by us for emphasis, and occasional Curmudgeonly interjections that look [like this]:

“Creation stands or falls on the Genesis Flood,” stated a creation geologist years ago. The fact of the Flood covering all the earth is undeniable. [Indeed — only a fool would deny it!] As described in Genesis 7 [We’re skipping that!]

Okay, creation depends on the Flood. Then Frank says:

In addition [if you want even more evidence], 73% of the earth’s crust is covered by sedimentary rock laid down by the Flood’s waters about 4,500 years ago. [Wowie — that’s a long time ago!] Within these rocks are trillions of fossilized animals (mostly marine invertebrates) and plants — remnants of a world “filled with violence.”

Wowie — all the sedimentary rock layers and all the fossils therein are proof of the Flood! After that, Frank tells us:

Between Scripture and the geological-paleontological record, the effects of the Flood are clearly seen. [Yes, clearly!] There is, however, a third indication of this worldwide, devastating event — the universal flood legends recorded by all the major people groups of Earth. [Ooooooooooooh! Everyone remembers the Flood!]

Frank continues:

As people groups spread and migrated after the Tower of Babel, they would carry with them the Flood story. Through the centuries, stories of the Flood were passed on to each generation via early patriarchs such as Joseph, Jacob, and Abraham, records that Moses had access to. As the years went by in some parts of the world, there would be editing and embellishments of the Flood event, but the basic story of judgment via a worldwide deluge, the preservation of a remnant in a structure, and the events directly afterwards would be preserved.

Yeah — that’s why every society, all over the world, has the same Flood story! It’s rock-solid proof! Let’s read on:

The account of the Flood in Genesis comes from Noah himself and is written and edited by Moses and is not dependent on Near Eastern texts. [Like the Epic of Gilgamesh.] Knowing this, a wise historian would search out similarities between Moses’ Flood story and the flood stories told in other cultures.

Frank is going to tell us about the work of just such a wise historian:

Nick Liguori is a civil engineer and an avocational researcher. He has applied his knowledge of biblical history to painstakingly put together a compendium of Flood traditions from North and South America. [Ooooooooooooh!] His 2021 book documents these fascinating oral traditions. Entitled Echoes of Ararat (Master Books, 298 pages), Liguori shows the reader that the critical opening chapters of Genesis are true and historically accurate.

Master Books publishes Hambo’s stuff too. Here’s the book at Amazon: Echoes of Ararat. Hey — Hambo blogged about that book a month ago and we wrote about it — see You Can Rely on the Bible’s Tale of Noah’s Flood. Ah well, let’s see if ICR has anything new that we didn’t discuss before. … Nope, nothing new.

Okay, dear reader, so where does that leave us? Well, both Hambo and ICR recommend this book. That’s really something! So go ahead and buy the thing. Then you’ll be totally up-to-date on the latest evidence for the Flood. Won’t that be great?

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13 responses to “ICR Has New Evidence for Noah’s Flood

  1. The bad arguments never change, only the audience.

  2. “Creation stands or falls on the Genesis Flood”

    So, has any creationist come up with a plausible explanation for where all that water went? (When I posed that question to an ardent creationist, he said, “Why, it drained off into the sea, of course!” He just couldn’t understand why that wouldn’t work.)

  3. chris schilling

    “[T]he basic story of judgment via a worldwide deluge…”

    Very basic. The Flood collected the trilobites and dinosaurs, among others, as permanent collateral damage, but failed to rid the world of the very thing it was expressly targeting — sin.

    BWAHAHAHAHAHA!

  4. Charles Deetz ;)

    A book on those trillions of tiny fossils would be a better lesson than a collection of similar stories. Maybe a book on the Cliffs of Dover?

  5. Dave Luckett

    Here, doofus, is a picture of the famous white cliffs of Dover. https://www.istockphoto.com/photos/white-cliffs-of-dover

    They average about 300 feet high. They’re white because they’re composed of chalk and flint, two related sedimentary rocks made of the shells of marine animals. You can actually see these shells if you look near the top of the cliffs, and if you take a chunk home and soak it and break it down, a microscope will allow you to see a whole bunch of structures that look like the skeletons of golf balls. These are the shells of tiny animals called cacolithosphores. There are plenty of other fossils there too, but as you go deeper, that is, further down the cliffs, you find the shells get crushed and compacted by the weight above.

    The cliffs aren’t just 300 feet high in a narrow band, though. They’re only a fracture in a chalk layer that’s hundreds of miles wide and long. Those shells were laid down undisturbed, too. There’s no sign of turbulence, no uneven deposition, no mixing. There they are, in one unbroken layer. And there are countless trillions of them in it. Millions of times the total number of those creatures that can possibly exist in such a sea at any one time.

    The only possible explanation is that this is the bed of an ancient sea in which shelled creatures lived and died, their shells drifting to the bottom. And that it was later thrust up to form the cliffs. How long did it take to form the layer of chalk? It can’t be less than millions of years. How long to thrust the layer up, after that? Who knows, but it wasn’t fast and catastrophic, because there’s no sign of vulcanism.

    The first geologists were creationists all. Mostly they were Bible-believers, too. But they saw evidence like this all around them, and they knew that the Earth was immensely older than the Bible implied, and that the features they could see and measure could not be caused by one cataclysmic flood.

    Put to it, the choice was stark. Either the stories in Genesis were myth, legend and allegory, or else God was lying to them. And what do you know? The Bible never says that the stories in Genesis were anything else than myth, legend and allegory. So that’s what they are. That was settled and inescapable long before the middle of the nineteenth century, pretty much two hundred years ago.

    And still we get idiots like this writing nonsense.

  6. Dave Luckett

    Charles Deetz, our two comments crossed in the post. I was NOT calling you a doofus.

  7. And were all of those creatutes alive at the same time? And did they all die at the same time? By drowning?

  8. So Frank Sherwin thinks fossilized plants are remnants of a world filled with violence. Were the plants wandering around hitting each other with their branches?

  9. retiredsciguy, the usual explanation is that the water under the Earth’s crust briefly wasn’t. How incredibly hot water escaped under pressure without superheating the atmosphere, and without causing massive seismic shifts, and how that water just went down under the crust is left unexplained and inexplicable. It’s another case where, “then a miracle happened” is clearly the superior answer.

  10. Obviously all global flood stories are absurdities and never occurred, but a different question might be more interesting: Why are global flood stories common throughout all the world’s mythologies? I suspect a lot of it is finding fossilized stones with creatures that are obviously sea creatures on dry land or mountain tops far from the ocean. When they found dinosaurs might have figured it was a dragon or “behemoth”. There are good reasons absurd beliefs started, but no good reason they are still believed today.

  11. I don’t think you need to find fossils to create a flood story. It could have arisen in almost any community. Many of our ancient ancestors would have lived by rivers, lakes or seashores in settlements which could have suffered inundation from time to time. Such a disaster might seem to have swallowed up their whole world, and recollections of it — handed down from generation to generation and embroidered for dramatic effect — would have become a thrilling ingredient of the evening storytelling around the fire.

    My own favourite flood legend is this classic English retelling from the 1950s (from How to be Topp, by Geoffrey Willans and Ronald Searle):
    https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=ZIgPW0vYEjMC&pg=PT39

  12. Jim Roberts

    Yeah, it’s worth noting that a whole lot of the cultural flood stories are about a valley or a smallish area getting covered in water, and often to a reasonable or realistic degree.

  13. Dave Luckett

    I would propose the hypothesis that peoples who have a flood legend are either retailing something with a basis in real experience, or were swapping stories with people who did. Now, how to test it?