Another Wild and Crazy Free Fire Zone

The creationists just aren’t entertaining us. For a while they went bonkers over the Webb Space Telescope — claiming that the images it sent were some kind of proof of something, but that seems to have died down.

Other than that, they’ve all been boring. Hambo isn’t saying much lately. He’s just selling tickets to his creationist attractions, and he’s also selling books so you can raise your kids to be his disciples. The Discoveroids — well, we had hopes about the return of Casey, but he hasn’t been entertaining us.

It’s also difficult to find amusing letters-to-the-editor. Thanks to our political leaders, folks have other crazy stuff to write about these days.

So we’re declaring another Intellectual Free-Fire Zone. Wanna talk about politics? Abortion rights? Rising crime rates? Climate change? Go right ahead!

You know the rules. Feel free to use the comments for the discussion of pretty much anything — science, politics, economics, whatever — as long as it’s tasteful and interesting. Banter, babble, bicker, bluster, blubber, blather, blab, blurt, burble, boast — say what you will. But avoid flame-wars and beware of the profanity filters.

We now throw open the comments to you, dear reader. Have at it!

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12 responses to “Another Wild and Crazy Free Fire Zone

  1. Stephen Kennedy

    We are enduring the worst drought in California, where I live, but this weekend over 1,000 people were stranded by flash floods in the Mojave Desert. The Mojave Desert is not only the driest place in California but is also one of the most parched places on our planet. We also had in succession a major drought and heat caused fire in Northern California followed by torrential downpours and flash floods there as well,

    Major parts of the country are suffering extremely hot and dry weather and then are suddenly hit with bursts of unprecedented rain causing flash floods. Because of higher atmospheric temperatures the air can now hold 10% more water vapor than it could 30 years ago. These rain events are highly destructive but do little to alleviate drought conditions since the water tends to run off rather than soaking into the soil. The flash floods that hit Las Vegas last week only increased the water level in Lake Mead by 3 inches, To prevent severe water shortages in the West this year, Lake Mead has to rise about 50 feet.

    This pattern of scorching heat and drought, punctuated by record downpours strikes me as something that may indicate that we are indeed experiencing climate change and it is not something that is benign.

  2. The first known example of Pavlovian conditioning occurs in Genesis 9:14-15. “Whenever I bring clouds over the earth and the rainbow appears in the clouds, I will remember my covenant between me and you and all living creatures of every kind.”

    Since rainbows occur all the time every day, the Pavlovian conditioning of see rainbow, remember covenant, see rainbow, remember covenant, see rainbow, remember covenant, etc. has reduced God’s mental capacities to that of a gelatinous turnip.

  3. Isn’t this such a good thing? They are just not motivated to spread their filthy lies. Hambo sees surveys that show the younger generations don’t buy into his YE crap and laments the lack of faith. That is to be expected that when people are presented with alternative credible information they will not buy into obvious fiction. But a whole generation of social media consumers proves that this is not the case for many. You are just not trying enough Hambo.

  4. The rise of Fundamentalism seems to be more driven by reaction to Biblical studies than to evolution (or other science). The 19th century showed the development of the Documentary Hypothesis (contrary to the belief that Moses was the sole author) and the discovery of the Gilgamesh Flood. Early Fundamentalism was not universally worried about evolution, and was not tied to the 6000 year old Earth.
    Young Earth Creationism represents a novelty, just when the sciences began to take off. A YEC who would be interested in the history of Fundamentalism might be shocked to find out how shallow its roots.

  5. The Bicycling Guitarist

  6. The beauty, complexity and majesty of the Natural World and it’s wonders makes me appreciate more and more every day the One who created and sustains it all. So grateful to be alive. – barabbas

  7. Much of the wonder of world is revealed by evolutionary biology and other sciences. The complexity of the variety of life, for example, is far beyond any kind of design. Nothing designed approaches what we know of spacetime or elementary particles.

  8. Dave Luckett

    @Barabbas Me; Alas, complexity is no evidence for anybody creating it. Beauty and majesty are in the mind of the observer. They are not evidence for anyone creating or sustaining them. There is no such evidence.

    I, too, am glad to be alive, even on those mornings when my arthritis and Parkinson’s are acting up – and it’s cold and wet today, so that’s what’s happening. Still, I’m glad to be alive, for sure.

    But soon I won’t be alive. Soon I won’t exist at all, and the world will go on, without so much as a blip. If life is good, and we should be grateful for it, what should we think of being deprived of it?

    Anything else that might happen is speculation. Neither of us knows, and what I don’t know, I don’t count on.

    I know only that I don’t know, but religious folk say they do know. They never say how they know, except the way you did – the Natural World, complexity, beauty, majesty, order. I used to ask why they think that, and there was never a connection. The Natural World? Isn’t it just as often simple, ugly, mean or chaotic? If the first set of descriptors is evidence for a creator, the second set must be evidence against one. So I gave up asking a long time ago.

    By coming here and telling me that you assume a creator because of those things, you are implying that we agnostics haven’t thought about that. I can only assure you that I’ve been following that argument for fifty years, and have thought about it a very great deal. More than is good for me, perhaps. And all I can tell you is that it doesn’t work. The Universe is not evidence for a creator.

    The difference between us, though, is that I didn’t come to you to tell you that.

  9. I don’t want to argue about creation. What concerns me is the denial of sciences like evolutionary biology. And about design.
    1) Design as far as we can understand it, is far short accounting for the variety of life.
    2) Design entails working within the parameters set by the properties of matter and natural law. It is far from the action expected of a super-natural creator.

  10. @Tomato Addict
    “The vessel itself appears not to have been damaged.”

  11. @TomS: It’s the thought that counts 🙂