Discovery Institute: Already Assailing Ardi

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WHEN we wrote about “Ardi” — Pre-Lucy Hominid Fossil Found, as did everyone else in the world, we knew that the creationists would soon favor us with their predictable efforts to hold back the tide. We didn’t have long to wait.

At the blog of the neo-theocrats at the Discovery Institute’s Center for Science and Culture (a/k/a the Discoveroids) we find the expected creationist response to Ardi. It’s by Casey Luskin, our favorite creationist: Bones of “Ardi,” New Human Evolution Fossil, “Crushed Nearly to Smithereens”. Here’s a bit of what Casey says, with bold font added by us:

Another new alleged missing link has been found, if you consider something discovered in the early 1990’s new. This fossil seems to have spent almost as much time under the microscope at Berkeley as it did in the ground in Ethiopia, when it was first buried about 4.4 million years ago.

What’s Casey complaining about? This fossil was studied for a long time before the scientists’ findings were published. To the rational world, such diligence is praiseworthy. But to Casey that “delay” means what — the fossil isn’t a new discovery? That’s his reaction? Let’s read on:

Why did it take over 15 years for the reports on this fossil to finally be published, besides the fact that it allowed more time for planning the now-customary PR campaign?

This isn’t the worst we’ve seen from the Discoveroids, but it’s definitely low-grade behavior. Well, we’re dealing with creationists, so we shouldn’t expect anything better. Hey, look at it this way — their instant reversion to slime-slinging is a good indication of institutional desperation.

We continue:

A 2002 article in Science explains exactly why: the bones were so brittle, “squished,” “chalky” and “erod[ed]” when cleaned such that many of the bone fragments had to be “reconstruct[ed]” — and that took a long time.

Ah, we see where Casey’s going. He’s “subtly” suggesting that it took 15 years for a team of maniacal “Darwinists” to turn a mess of fragments into a fake fossil. After that feeble feint, he tries to create doubt that Ardi was bipedal:

Of course a key feature in demonstrating that an organism was bipedal is the precise shape of its pelvis.

Then Casey mines a few quotes about the difficulties the researchers encountered, gleefully spinning them for his creationist fans, and says:

Claims of bipedalism often depend upon precise measurements of the angles of key bones such as the pelvis, femur, and knee-bones. But if these bones were discovered in such a crushed, squished, etc. form, determining the precise contours of these bones might become a highly subjective exercise. I’m sure they spent a lot of time on their reconstructions (and it certainly sounds like they did) but at the end of the day, it’s difficult to make solid claims about extremely unsolid bones.

What’s the point of Casey’s babbling? Ardi exists. It’s an early hominid — earlier than Lucy. It reveals another piece of the evolutionary puzzle. Those who found the fossil worked long and hard to understand it — and then Casey worked for 20 minutes to nitpick their efforts.

Hey Casey, are you proud of your work today?

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16 responses to “Discovery Institute: Already Assailing Ardi

  1. comradebillyboy

    I think I’ll try to find a job teaching creation science; its just got to be easier than physics and math.

  2. I can see why you’re a bit chafed, the creationist author was being snarky. BUT the thing to point out here is that while his commentary was insignificant, his point is most definitely valid.

    Most of the content of that article was citations and quotes from people close to the discovery, which definitely puts serious doubt on the validity of it all.

    I believe the scientists involved here (as well as yourself) are starting with the conclusion that this IS a ancestor of humans, evolutionary link, etc, etc. And that any skepticism is unacceptable, because “that’s just what it is”.

    We’re still finding new species to this day. Why can’t it be just an ancient chimp? How can you take a bunch of fossils in admittedly “crushed”, “trampled” and in “terrible” condition and pre-determine what they are?

    Sounds like a whole lot of “faith” is required…

  3. caseyc says:

    I believe the scientists involved here (as well as yourself) are starting with the conclusion that this IS a ancestor of humans, evolutionary link, etc, etc.

    Believe that if you like, but it isn’t true. Hey, are you Casey the Discoveroid?

  4. Haha, I’m probably any number of “oid”s but not that one.

  5. Kurt Dominik

    caseyc,

    Can you specify if smushed is worse than crushed, and where squished is on that latter. Is your analysis of the bones published somewhere we all can read it?

    Also, are you OK with it being 4.4 million years old?

  6. Although I don’t agree with what the Discoveroid says in his article. It is true that with all science that we must be skeptical of all evidence. Which I think in truth invalidates Luskins argument. It is precisely because good scientists are skeptical that it took so long to study the fossil and release findings. They needed to make sure that they were correct.

    Putting out untested, unverified theory as fact is the realm of creationism. Luskin is simply applying the thinking (or lack thereof) and technique that he would employ.

  7. 2 more gaps!!!!

  8. Colloquy says: “2 more gaps!!!!”

    Yes, it just keeps getting worse.

  9. Kurt Dominik says: “Also, are you OK with it being 4.4 million years old?”

    I doubt that caseyc is up for a serious discussion. Even if he is, we discourage debates with creationists here. They never accomplish anything. Caseyc was reasonably polite, so he’s not banned. But he’s said what he had to say.

  10. Kurt, did you read the linked article? The classifications I mentioned were from people directly involved with the find, not something I made up.

    Anyway, I appreciate this site and commenters like Justin. Curmudgeon is correct, in that I had my say. I’m not interested in trying to change anyone’s mind, just providing a differing point of view.

  11. I believe the scientists involved here (as well as yourself) are starting with the conclusion that this IS a ancestor of humans, evolutionary link, etc, etc.

    I don’t think the scientists are saying they are certain that humans evolved from Ardi. I think they are saying that Ardi and humans are closely related through common descent. So common descent might be the word yer lookin for!

  12. Caseyc: “I’m not interested in trying to change anyone’s mind, just providing a differing point of view.”

    You’re not interested in answering a simple question about the age of the fossil either. Something to hide perhaps?

  13. Gabriel Hanna

    We’re still finding new species to this day. Why can’t it be just an ancient chimp? How can you take a bunch of fossils in admittedly “crushed”, “trampled” and in “terrible” condition and pre-determine what they are?

    Sounds like a whole lot of “faith” is required…

    Number of hours Caseyc put in on studying this fossil: 0

    Probability that Caseyc has any relevant experience upon which to declare that “a whole lot of faith is required”: 0

  14. Scientists: 15 years studying a fossil. Output – a very interesting finding shedding light on the history of hominid evolution.

    Discotute: 20 years of hand waving and ducking the issues. Output – still waiting…

  15. “Number of hours Caseyc put in on studying this fossil: 0

    Probability that Caseyc has any relevant experience upon which to declare that “a whole lot of faith is required”: 0”

    Comment from spidergrackle about the disco’tute: priceless

  16. ckc (not kc)

    “Most of the content of that article was citations and quotes from people close to the discovery, which definitely puts serious doubt on the validity of it all.”

    Clearly, as an eyewitness this person has little to say about the crime.