It’s always a special treat to present a new essay by Jason Lisle. Regular readers know him best from the time he was at Answers in Genesis (AIG), ol’ Hambo’s online ministry, when we wrote several posts about Jason Lisle’s “Instant Starlight” Paper.
Jason left AIG a couple of years ago to become director of whatever it is that they call research at the Institute for Creation Research. The title of Jason’s latest is Creation Research Society Meets at ICR. Here are some excerpts, with bold font added by us:
ICR was very pleased to host the fifth annual Creation Research Society (CRS) conference this year July 31–August 1 in Dallas. Many attendees arrived early for a reception at ICR the evening before the conference began. It was a great time of fellowship with fellow scientists and others who hold the Word of God in high esteem. I always enjoy seeing old friends and making new ones.
Ooooooooooooooh — truly a gathering of giants! How thrilling it must have been! Jason tells us:
The CRS conference was a great opportunity for creation scientists to come together to present and discuss the latest research on the issue of origins. Topics of discussion included astronomy, geology, biology, and others. Several new models were presented, and some old models were challenged. It’s always exciting to see the latest research results in various disciplines.
The latest creation research — BWAHAHAHAHAHA! Let’s read on:
Dr. Kevin Anderson opened the conference with a fascinating presentation summarizing the many discoveries of soft tissue in dinosaur remains.
Oh yeah, we’re familiar with that — see Dinosaur Fossils Found with Hot Red Meat? Jason continues:
A number of ICR researchers presented their latest findings. To select just two from many, Dr. Tim Clarey presented some of his preliminary results on megasequences — extensive sedimentary rock units that suggest the stages in which the global Flood occurred.
Wowie — geology will never the the same. Here’s more:
And Dr. Jeff Tomkins presented his research comparing the human genome with the chimpanzee genome. Most people don’t realize the extent of the evolutionary assumptions that have gone into constructing the chimp genome. Secular scientists have used the human genome as a guide to assemble chimpanzee DNA sequences based on the assumption of common ancestry. Dr. Tomkins is performing a de novo assembly of the chimpanzee genome and is researching more objective algorithms and methods by which human and ape genomes may be compared.
We eagerly await the results. Moving along:
I was intrigued by some of the information brought forth in my own field of astronomy. Wayne Spencer discussed the Rossiter-McLaughlin effect, by which the orientation of transiting extra-solar planets can be estimated. He showed that a substantial fraction of the planets so far discovered have an orbital plane that is highly tilted relative to their star’s rotation axis. Some even orbit “backward” — in the opposite direction that their star spins. This information is starkly contrary to secular expectations.
What’s the creationist assumption? How should Yahweh have those planets orbiting their stars? We’re not told.
Then Jason talks about Pluto, but we’ve written about that before — see Jason Lisle Drools Over Pluto. We’re getting near the end now. Here’s another excerpt:
What an exciting time to be a creationist!
BWAHAHAHAHAHA! The rest of the article encourages you to join the Creation Research Society. If you’re interested, Jason’s article provides a link, but we’re quitting here.
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What an exciting time to be a creationist!
Sorry, but I think their heyday was during the Middle Ages!
I get the impression it’s almost worth signing up for one of these conferences. By the sounds of it it packed in more laughs than a Marx Brothers movie.
This information is starkly contrary to secular expectations.
I wonder where he got this impression. Astronomers have been aware for decades that other planetary systems are quite likely to be far less orderly than ours is.
Several new models were presented, and some old models were challenged.
Yes, which bible verse applies and should it be read forward or backward?
Wayne Spencer, B.S., M.S.
Wayne Spencer obtained his master’s degree in physics from Wichita State University in Kansas. Active in creationist circles, he has taught science and maths, and now works in computer technical support.
Here’s Wayne’s cherry picking “paper.”
http://creation.com/extrasolar-planets-problems-for-evolution
I’m also very impressed by his reference to Kepler: The creationist astronomer Johannes Kepler… and his citation of Kepler’s 17th century work. Go Wayne!
Pharyngula takes on ICR staffer Jeff Tomkins’ understanding of basic genetics and evolution…..
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2013/06/18/do-the-creationist-shuffle-and-twist/
In general, these creationist research papers read like junior high school level term papers.
“Creation Research Society (CRS)” —
We older folk joke about suffering from CRS –“Can’t Remember S**t”. Maybe now that the Creation Research Society has taken over the acronym, it should be re-labeled as “Can’t Reason for S**t”.
Ohhhh, a Liars Club!
Hey, Jason, you liar, glad to see you’re having a good time! Don’t drink too much and get plenty of sleep. Liars need lots of sleep!
Why, did they get a bigger box of crayons?
Lisle references “creation scientists”.
Surely that deserves some sort of award for ‘Oxymoron of the Year’–if not of the whole blinkin’ decade!!
To quote Maury Chaykin from the movie Hero: “Did you ever hear such nonsense, bull[poop] and drivel coming from somebody who’s not even the President?”
Current theories of planet formation posit a primordial period of chaotic collisions between protoplanets, with a collision between the early Earth and a Mars-sized body producing the moon.
This sounds more like Worlds in Collision than the Bible, though there’s not that much difference: Velikovsky had the early Venus ripped out of Jupiter (never mind their utterly different chemical compositions) and careening about the cosmos in Biblical times, passing by Earth in time to explain the miracles in Exodus, including the fall of manna which supposedly sustained the Israelites as they wandered aimlessly in the desert for forty years. (At least he didn’t touch Genesis; that was left to Erich von Daniken and his imitators.)
Klinkledinkle, Preaching hatred of science, logic and reason is a sad way to live one’s life.
The first sin of the creationist is the sin of ommision. The retrograde planets mentioned are invariably “Hot Jupiters”, which themselves didn’t seem very likely before extrasolar planets were initially found. The retrograde orbits give insight into how “Hot Jupiters” form giving such systems a different mode of formation than our solar system.
The fact that there are different types of solar system formation was unexpected, but it in no way means God dunnit.
@ waldteufel:
I remember my initial impressions of the “Scientific” Creationists’ writings back in the 1970s and 80s; and like many other scientists who looked at that stuff, I thought it was so silly that nobody could possibly take it seriously. Not many of us understood initially that much of that crap was generated for the political purpose of taunting scientists into public debates so that these creationists could leverage some “respectability” and “legitimacy” off the backs of working scientists.
But as time went by, what eventually became Intelligent Design was an ossification of those misconceptions and misrepresentations into the foundational pillars of ID/creationism. The ID/creationists have come to believe their own crap because it supports sectarian dogma.
Jason Lisle is probably one of the worst “PhDs” in the pantheon of ID/creationist “scholars;” the crap he churns out is so bad that knowledgeable scientists have to wonder if the guy has lost his marbles completely. His “solution” to the “Distant Starlight Problem” and his explanation of the Moon’s orbital recession are just plain nuts; and he doesn’t seem to have any awareness of how it looks to people who actually know something about science.
But his adoring followers think he is a rock star.
@Mike Elzinga:
He must have been able to produce results which meet the standards of scholarship in his graduate school program. He knows what should be done, but chooses not to do it.
@ TomS:
If he knows what is correct but chooses to tell his followers something completely wrong, then he is a liar and knows he is telling lies. It would not surprise me if he has at least some subliminal awareness of lying; and one can arrive at that conclusion from the fact that he doesn’t even try to submit his “calculations” and “theories” to important, peer-reviewed journals. If he really thought his “calculations” had any merit, he would try.
However, from the fact that people like Lisle and Purdom have actually given advice to young people about how to keep their heads down at secular colleges and universities, I suspect that there is more going on. They have relied on rote memorization without comprehension, and they have managed to game the system by exploiting extremely busy professors with relatively large research groups by taking on routine parts of the research that don’t reveal their lack of deep understanding of fundamental scientific concepts.
Good research groups challenge their members by giving their doctoral students significant portions of the research in which they have to demonstrate on a regular basis their understanding of the fundamentals. Most good research groups have regular meetings and briefings in which various members present their work and discuss it with other members of the team. A member can’t escape scrutiny because their work affects the success of the entire group.
Lisle – and the other ID/creationist “PhDs” like him – hasn’t done post doctoral work or anything that would be equivalent in its challenging of his knowledge and abilities. Instead, he and the others have all – every one of them – immediately gone from their graduation into sectarian apologetics. Lisle was already writing under a pseudonym for Answers in Genesis even as he was “working” on his “PhD;” he never had any intention of learning the science. I think Lisle managed to find a task that didn’t challenge his understanding of science in a way that was visible to his advisor or his other team members.
These ID/creationist “PhDs” get the basics wrong at even the high school level. Lisle has never been given the challenge of designing a research experiment and going through the intellectual exercises that required turning his understanding of scientific concepts into a working program that produces results that withstand validation by others. Now he is in a safe environment in which he can just fake it without consequence; and he is unable to recognize just how ridiculous he actually looks to those who know things he doesn’t.
I also suspect from his grotesquely contorted “presuppositional apologetics” that he is a bit off his rocker and driven by a very strong dislike of real scientists. In fact, I suspect that most of these ID/creationist “scientists” are a bit loopy.