Random Thoughts about Creationists

This is a holiday weekend and there’s not much going on, so we’ll give you a follow-up to what we wrote a few years ago in Open Letter to Creationists. We’ve touched on the same themes before, for example, see Creationists: Ignorant, Stupid, Insane, or Wicked, and Debating Creationists is Dumber Than Creationism.

We’re not speaking to professional creationists — the charlatans who make a living from the ignorance and simple-mindedness of their supporters. They know what they’re doing, and they intend to persevere. We have contempt for them, but as long as they don’t break any laws, we leave them to their shabby endeavors.

Nor are we hoping to make any impression on their followers. It’s depressing to see how many there are — ignoramuses, simpletons, or deranged fanatics — all slack jawed, their eyes wide and unfocused, drooling, and babbling away. They don’t know the difference between science and folklore, nor do they know what is known or how it is known. They are what they are, and because of how they were raised, they are incapable of being anything else. But they’ll survive. A creationist can do simple things — drive a car and earn a living at some kind of trade. They’ll never understand the nature and extent of their deficiencies, but they can live reasonably happy lives. We wish them well.

So if we’re not talking to them, who are we talking to? We’re talking to the rest of you — those with the ability to think and who have some knowledge of and appreciation for science. How should you react to and deal with creationists? We addressed that in Do Creationists Have the Right To Be Ignorant?, where we said:

People can survive without knowing science. They may even be happy. Yes, their career choices are limited, but that’s true for of all of us — we can’t study everything. So why should we force kids to learn to think by studying science if their families don’t want them to do so? People have the right to be ignorant, don’t they? So we’re suggesting: If they want to be ignorant, then let them be ignorant. They’re happy, and they have the right to drool.

But that applies only to peaceful creationists. What of the others? In some ways, a creationist is like someone who has lost the use of a limb; his functionality is limited. But a man who has lost a leg never insists that the rest of us should become like him. A creationist, however, has lost the use of his mind, and doesn’t know what he’s missing. He thinks there’s something wrong with us, and that we should become like him.

If fanatical creationists go on the offensive, we have the right to defend ourselves and our freedom to teach and practice science. So far, we haven’t had to deal with that — except for from some goofy legislative activity attempting to slip creationism into the schools. That sort of thing must always be vigorously opposed.

Aside from that, your Curmudgeon is benevolent. We think creationists have the freedom to believe what they want, and to preach it, teach it (at their own expense in their own schools and churches), and write about it for the “benefit” of those who wish to learn from them. They can build and operate their creation museums — without government funds, of course — and no one should interfere with such things. However, they have no right to harass, attack, restrain, or otherwise violate the rights of anyone. We shouldn’t interfere with them, and we shouldn’t tolerate their interference with us.

Creationists always raise the issue of tax-supported schools that teach science, and tax-supported scientific research, claiming that this is a violation of their rights. The response to that isn’t complicated. It’s up to the states to operate public schools, and the federal government to support defense and other research, but no level of government can teach or support religion with taxpayer’s money. That’s how it is and how it should be — unless the Constitution is amended, which we hope will never happen. There are other countries that have a theocratic way of running things. Perhaps creationists should consider moving to one of those places.

So there you are. We say: leave ’em alone and let ’em drool. For those who become aggressive, push back — hard. Somehow, it’ll all work out.

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10 responses to “Random Thoughts about Creationists

  1. Our Curmudgeon advises

    We say: leave ’em alone and let ’em drool. For those who become aggressive, push back — hard.

    I can’t think of a more obnoxious and aggressive piece of bullflop deserving the hardest possible push back than Klingy’s latest effluvium: March for Science and for…ISIS?

  2. “People can survive without knowing science. They may even be happy. Yes, their career choices are limited, but that’s true for of all of us…
    Just look at the republican party and the Trump administration today, they’re doing pretty well for ignoring any evidence whatsoever. They don’t know any science, they deny any science and they pat themselves on the back for this behavior as they continue to dismantle the regulations that keep America safe, livable and clean as well as address the future of the planet.

  3. Creationists don’t need Trump. And in fact, as far as I know, he’s stayed away from the creation-evolution debate, at least in public, perhaps because it offers him too little fodder for his ever-hungry ego. Then again, his Education Secretary Betsy DeVos hasn’t. I suppose that says something about Mr. Trump: either he’s clueless about Ms. DeVos’s ideas, or he doesn’t care, or he agrees with her but doesn’t want to say so publicly.

  4. VP of the US Pense is a flaming creationist, and there is certainly no shortage in that particular form of arrogant willful ignorance in congress.

    http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2016/08/17/trump_s_vice_presidential_pick_mike_pence_is_a_creationist.html

  5. We say: leave ’em alone and let ’em drool. For those who become aggressive, push back — hard.

    Aggressive creationists don’t get half the kicking around they deserve.

    But then they’re immune to reason, evidence, logic, and all the rest. Kind of like they live in their own fairy world, cut off from reality.

    Reminds me of the cartoon: “Someone told me I was delusional. I almost fell off my unicorn!”

  6. Creationist pseudoversities are charities with tax breaks (stealing our money), and feed disproportionately into the ranks of the right wing political class (governing us): Credit Where None is Due; Creationist Colleges and Courses. They also feed delusions of divine control of little things like the climate. So it does matter.

    Like the rest of us, (except of course for you, dear reader, who are not as others), creationists believe what they want to believe. So the problem becomes how to make them want to believe in reality

  7. Paul Braterman succinctly observes,
    “… creationists believe what they want to believe. So the problem becomes how to make them want to believe in reality.”

    Well, perhaps the best way to do that is to have them see that believing in reality is actually believing in God, because in their minds God created the universe — which, of course, is reality.

    There is no doubt in anyone’s mind that man had nothing to do with the creation (or formation, if you will) of the universe or Earth. Therefore, from the creationist’s point of view, when we study the universe, i.e., reality, we are studying God’s work — completely free of man’s intervention.

    However, when reading the Bible, they have to acknowledge it was the hand of man that put it on “paper”, and therefore may have been corrupted. So, in order to understand God, go directly to the source — study His own creation, the universe (i.e., reality).

    Which was the original intent of science in the first place — to better understand God. This explains why the Vatican has its own astronomical observatory.

    I made this same point in different words on the Curmudgeon’s next post, “Was Creation 6,000 or 10,000 Years ago?”

  8. Oops – forgot to close the italics after Paul Braterman’s quote. Please help this poor, fallible soul, Dear Curmudgeon. Thanks!

    [*Voice from above*] All is well. I even italicized your usage of i.e., which stands for id est, Latin for “that is.”

  9. Re “Aside from that, your Curmudgeon is benevolent. We think creationists have the freedom to believe what they want, and to preach it, teach it (at their own expense in their own schools and churches), and write about it for the “benefit” of those who wish to learn from them. They can build and operate their creation museums — without government funds, of course — and no one should interfere with such things. However, they have no right to harass, attack, restrain, or otherwise violate the rights of anyone. We shouldn’t interfere with them, and we shouldn’t tolerate their interference with us.”

    I don’t think I have ever read anything that so cogently sums up what I feel about this subject.

    I also wonder whether, in creationist’s worldview, that we should equip our military with the best science the Bible has to offer. Our soldiers would be training in the sword and pike and shield. Plus we would train slingers, we would need some long-range weaponry. Archers would be a possibility, but firearms of any kind would be banned as unsupported by the Bible, so ballistae, yes, drones, no. As for flying through the air, we should immediately begin research on recreating the flying horse. The advantage, of course, is that we could fly over our enemies and drop dung on them.

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